Kansas City Star: Big 12 Not looking to Expand at this Time

[All4SU]

In the past 12 months, the Pac12, Big10 and the SEC have all gobbled up teams from the Big12. (And the Big12 only landed WVU because the ACC took a pass on the Mountineers.) Despite all of these rumors, of which I am highly skeptical, it appears much more likely that the Big12 is the conference which is getting cannibalized if favor of the other 4. The ACC is not going anywhere. The Big12 is in full panic mode.

 

[NKR1978]

In the past 12 months, the Pac12, Big10 and the SEC have all gobbled up teams from the Big12. (And the Big12 only landed WVU because the ACC took a pass on the Mountineers.) Despite all of these rumors, of which I am highly skeptical, it appears much more likely that the Big12 is the conference which is getting cannibalized if favor of the other 4. The ACC is not going anywhere. The Big12 is in full panic mode.

And where does the Pac go to expand? That's what no one explains in all these 16x4 scenarios. Without a further raid of the big 12, the pac has nowhere to go.

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[All4SU]

And where does the Pac go to expand? That's what no one explains in all these 16x4 scenarios. Without a further raid of the big 12, the pac has nowhere to go.

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Exactly. Their expansion will come from the B12 primarily.

 

[ImperialOrange]

There's an elevation clause at 12 with a championship, another one at 14 and 16. They are going to 12 with FSU/Clemson. That's agreed in principle by intermediaries. It'll unfold in the coming weeks after the lawyers have been satisfied. See also the Missouri & A&M transition process.

You are right that the champions bowl money would be split to small pieces, but the CCG will bring in a lot of additional money. Where your argument makes more sense is they won't go from 12 to 14 immediately. They won't actually ever play a season at 14. SEC is demonstrating why that sucks. They will go to 14 likely next summer, SEC will then move to 16, and then B12 will pick up their last two.

Why would FSU or Clemson go to the Big 12 now if it is certain an SEC expansion is imminent?

 

[Toga]

I've read that Oklahoma is going to the Big10 to be reunited with Nebraska.

That is also what my source says.

 

[Chip]

OR FSU and Clemson are actually about as interested as Colorado, aTm, & Mizzou were to be playing in the awesome conference that is/was the Big 12. Big 12 hasn't exactly landed new teams from another power conference lately and if fsu and clemson were so easy for them to land then why did wvu and tcu get taken first?

Good point. I assume once the grown ups were taking a look at all of this they realized that jumping right into a league that lost 33% of its founding members in the last 2 years to other major conferences may not be the smartest course.

Remains comical how the blog nation ran with it so quickly though because the SEC and Big 12 finally agreed on a bowl they had been trying to plan for years. A bowl which the SEC really only wants 2, maybe 3 of the teams from the Big 12 to ever actually participate in.

And then, of course, the panic button people who somehow found themselves in influential positions (FSU BoT member) just want to join the fun. But as I said, lucky for those schools, there will be a few grown ups in the room steering the decision.

 

[Chip]

Why would FSU or Clemson go to the Big 12 now if it is certain an SEC expansion is imminent?

Don't ask questions like that. Smart people are making these decisions!

How funny would it be if Miami and GT landed in the SEC while FSU and Clemson are taking their road trips to Iowa and Kansas because they had to act so quickly.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Don't ask questions like that. Smart people are making these decisions!

How funny would it be if Miami and GT landed in the SEC while FSU and Clemson are taking their road trips to Iowa and Kansas because they had to act so quickly.

It's funny to me how people speak as if they have facts but then contridict themselves (not you, this other guy).

Bottom line, noone is moving anywhere until the B1G and SEC decide to expand and who they want. What team would take themselves out of consideration for that type of payday for a (perhaps) slightly bigger pay day.

If the SEC expands it's going to be FSU and Clemson OR Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. I would lean towards that latter. Now, if OU and OSU leave the Big 12 why would anymore want to be a part of that conference anymore? You have Texas and ______? because aTm and Nebraska already left town.

My end game has Texas in the B1G and OU, OSU in the SEC, and the remaining Big 12 (aside from 1 that goes to B1G w/ Texas) teams circling the drain.

 

[Madbiker]

Actually, you are off the mark quite a bit:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...orn-again-and-feeling-its-oats-at-10-12-or-14

"The new Big 12 TV deal is expected to be announced any day, perhaps here this week as a celebration of the league's new-found strength. Within that deal is a clause that will give any new expansion candidates the same money as the current members (estimated to be at least $20 million per year).

One industry source said that number applies whether the Big 12 invites, "Appalachian State or Florida State." And according to another industry source, ESPN wouldn't stand in the way of Big 12 expansion even after negotiating a new deal with the ACC."

So FSU gets a measly $3 mil more per year for their Tier1/2 rights and maybe an extra $0.5 mil for their crappy Tier 3 rights while adding $2 mil in travel expenses and getting to finish 3rd in the conference every year and never sniff a playoff spot. What a deal!

 

[Guinness]

The SEC doesn't want FSU or Clemson. They want new markets.

 

[Chip]

It's funny to me how people speak as if they have facts but then contridict themselves (not you, this other guy).

Bottom line, noone is moving anywhere until the B1G and SEC decide to expand and who they want. What team would take themselves out of consideration for that type of payday for a (perhaps) slightly bigger pay day.

If the SEC expands it's going to be FSU and Clemson OR Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. I would lean towards that latter. Now, if OU and OSU leave the Big 12 why would anymore want to be a part of that conference anymore? You have Texas and ______? because aTm and Nebraska already left town.

My end game has Texas in the B1G and OU, OSU in the SEC, and the remaining Big 12 (aside from 1 that goes to B1G w/ Texas) teams circling the drain.

Agree. If there is actually a 4 X 16 "plan", then any school would be foolish to not wait out the two most desired conferences (B1G and SEC) choices to get to 16, which currently has 6 open spots. If you're FSU or Clemson, it's not like there's any chance of you NOT being one of the 64 left standing, so why commit yourself now, pay one exit fee, only to potentially pay another if you get the call up to the majors that you really want (SEC). Or potentially shut yourself out of going where you want.

 

[ImperialOrange]

The SEC doesn't want FSU or Clemson. They want new markets.

Which is why I think OU and OSU. The other option is UVA and Va Tech but IMHO the B1G would jump in and take them if they were to leave the ACC. SEC is the most powerful football conference currently in the polls but the B1G still has and makes a TON more money plus is a better academic fit.

 

[Orangello]

That is also what my source says.

My sources in Norman agree.

 

[HtownOrange]

And where does the Pac go to expand? That's what no one explains in all these 16x4 scenarios. Without a further raid of the big 12, the pac has nowhere to go.

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From what I gather, the Pac 12 will have to take the east coast teams because the all powerful Big 12 is taking the choicest of cuts while leaving the scraps for the SEC, B1G and Pac. On the bright side, Syracuse will soon be in the same conference with Stanford. Syracuse and USC must have have already signed the deal to play Home-Home-Neutral site-Neutral site, with the Neutral sites designated as the Meadowlands and the Rose Bowl or San Diego (to be determined). Oh, and I almost forgot, the Ducks have requested that Syracuse be designated their cross division rival, they like the neon yellows against our Orange. (sarcasm off)

 

[HtownOrange]

I've read that Oklahoma is going to the Big10 to be reunited with Nebraska.

I've been reading similar stuff here in Texas...

 

[SU2NASA]

Don't ask questions like that. Smart people are making these decisions!

How funny would it be if Miami and GT landed in the SEC while FSU and Clemson are taking their road trips to Iowa and Kansas because they had to act so quickly.

I think Rutgers and UConn are convincing themselves that they're just waiting to land in the SEC.

 

[SU2NASA]

My sources in Norman agree.

Anyone remember this? Just from last September after the Big 12 was supposedly saved.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...ren-says-school-interest-multiple-conferences

"Boren said Friday that Oklahoma is seeking stability in its conference relationship with "partners that are both outstanding athletically and academically as well because a conference that's strong is not only stable but it's one in which there are multiple relationships, along with sports, between the university members.""

um, the Big Ten's CIC anyone?

""Of course, we have some great partners in the existing Big 12. We have interest from other conferences and other universities, so it's really a tribute to the strength of our program at the University of Oklahoma that there is so much interest in us," Boren said.
"So, we have to carefully evaluate the various comments that are being made to us and the various possibilities that are being shown to us before we decide what's best for the university to do""

Boren said the bottom line is "I don't think OU is going to be a wallflower when all is said and done."

A source with direct knowledge of Oklahoma's situation told ESPN.com, "Splitting with Oklahoma State would be challenging politically and not necessarily desirable but not impossible if it meant protecting the long-term best interests of Oklahoma."

 

[All4SU]

Agree. If there is actually a 4 X 16 "plan", then any school would be foolish to not wait out the two most desired conferences (B1G and SEC) choices to get to 16, which currently has 6 open spots. If you're FSU or Clemson, it's not like there's any chance of you NOT being one of the 64 left standing, so why commit yourself now, pay one exit fee, only to potentially pay another if you get the call up to the majors that you really want (SEC). Or potentially shut yourself out of going where you want.

Right. The reality for the teams in the Big12, is that they aren't in bad position for expansion. The Pac12 has to pick up teams from somewhere, and it will be teams in the Big12. The Big10 is also likely to pick up a another team or two from the Big12. SEC, is the wildcard. I'm sure they want Texas +1. Frankly, I think Texas would go Pac12 before the SEC. Teams like Iowa State have to be biting their nails a bit. They almost have to hope for the 5x16 model.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Right. The reality for the teams in the Big12, is that they aren't in bad position for expansion. The Pac12 has to pick up teams from somewhere, and it will be teams in the Big12. The Big10 is also likely to pick up a another team or two from the Big12. SEC, is the wildcard. I'm sure they want Texas +1. Frankly, I think Texas would go Pac12 before the SEC. Teams like Iowa State have to be biting their nails a bit. They almost have to hope for the 5x16 model.

Texas will end up in the B1G. Academics, plus aTm would probably not want any part of playing in the same conference as Texas again. Also, if Texas wanted in the SEC they would likely already be there.

 

[Chip]

Texas will end up in the B1G. Academics, plus aTm would probably not want any part of playing in the same conference as Texas again. Also, if Texas wanted in the SEC they would likely already be there.

Texas probably wants to be independent more than anything else. Maybe they are waiting to see how ND is included in the playoff scenarios. They certainly don't want to share any of the money they feel they bring in with the likes of West Virginia, Iowa State, etc.

 

[BlazeOrange]

Actually, you are off the mark quite a bit:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...orn-again-and-feeling-its-oats-at-10-12-or-14

"The new Big 12 TV deal is expected to be announced any day, perhaps here this week as a celebration of the league's new-found strength. Within that deal is a clause that will give any new expansion candidates the same money as the current members (estimated to be at least $20 million per year).

One industry source said that number applies whether the Big 12 invites, "Appalachian State or Florida State." And according to another industry source, ESPN wouldn't stand in the way of Big 12 expansion even after negotiating a new deal with the ACC."

So they could've floated the FSU/Clemson rumors during the contract negotiations to get the network to agree to this clause (can't specify any schools in the contract because that would be interference). Then once the deals done, add the more easily obtained Lousville and Cinci (or whoever) for probably more than they would be worth if they were already in the conference before negotiations.

Doesn't necessarily preclude the big fish from coming in later though.