Katz: Waiters in play for Cleveland at 4

[kyleslamb]

As a Cavs' fan, I must say I think this was the best possible pick for Cleveland given the situation Charlotte put them in by taking MKG instead of Robinson. I think the Irving-Waiters backcourt is going to be explosive.

 

[44cuse]

As a Cavs' fan, I must say I think this was the best possible pick for Cleveland given the situation Charlotte put them in by taking MKG instead of Robinson. I think the Irving-Waiters backcourt is going to be explosive.

I respect your opinion as a Cavs fan, but having Dion go to a team with one of the worst owners in the league is not what I wanted for a SU guy. And this coming from a W's fan who wanted him which is one of the worst franchises in the league.

Selfishly I wanted him on the W's. But both of these teams suck and I'd rather the SU guys finally go have some success on good teams.

44cuse

 

[Melancer46]

As a Cavs' fan, I must say I think this was the best possible pick for Cleveland given the situation Charlotte put them in by taking MKG instead of Robinson. I think the Irving-Waiters backcourt is going to be explosive.

You're the first Cavs fan that I've heard that isn't furious with how the draft went last night. Taking Waiters over Barnes wasn't a huge deal (although I personally think Barnes will be a much better player), but trading 24, 33, and 34 for 17 was absolutely insane. Could have had Barnes/Drummond, PJIII, Doron Lamb, and one of the Quincy's or something.

 

[IthacaMatt]

You're the first Cavs fan that I've heard that isn't furious with how the draft went last night. Taking Waiters over Barnes wasn't a huge deal (although I personally think Barnes will be a much better player), but trading 24, 33, and 34 for 17 was absolutely insane. Could have had Barnes/Drummond, PJIII, Doron Lamb, and one of the Quincy's or something.

Barnes is soft. He doesn't have a killer instinct. Dion has that in spades.

 

[Melancer46]

Barnes is soft. He doesn't have a killer instinct. Dion has that in spades.

I think that's what makes Barnes a better NBA player. Barnes will accept his role much easier than Waiters will. Irving is THE man in Cleveland. Waiters won't be.

Edit: Actually, I don't think Barnes is soft. I just think he's a smarter player and doesn't try to force the issue like Waiters tends to. Same reason I think Jeremy Lamb will be a better pro than Waiters.

 

[Gabjon]

Dion will be a star! His ability to get to the rim and finish with both hands will make a 20pt scorer next year. Irving will play great together. You can't put your best defender on both of them someone will have a miss match every night.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I think that's what makes Barnes a better NBA player. Barnes will accept his role much easier than Waiters will. Irving is THE man in Cleveland. Waiters won't be.

Edit: Actually, I don't think Barnes is soft. I just think he's a smarter player and doesn't try to force the issue like Waiters tends to. Same reason I think Jeremy Lamb will be a better pro than Waiters.

How is Barnes different than Wes Johnson?

 

[Melancer46]

How is Barnes different than Wes Johnson?

How is Barnes similar to Wes Johnson?

Johnson could catch and shoot, or he could catch, take a step, and dunk. That was it. But teams fell in love with his physical gifts and his potential so he was taken highly.

Barnes was a great all-around scorer. He scored well in isolation situations, catch and shoot, post-up situations, etc. He's a cerebral player that knows how to get good shots and doesn't rely on his athleticism to score points the way Wes did. And he's a pretty good defender in his own right. Johnson had more potential than Barnes did, but he never lived up to it. I think Barnes is a safe bet to end up being a 14-18 PPG guy that also gives you decent defense at the next level.

 

[IthacaMatt]

How is Barnes similar to Wes Johnson?

Johnson could catch and shoot, or he could catch, take a step, and dunk. That was it. But teams fell in love with his physical gifts and his potential so he was taken highly.

Barnes was a great all-around scorer. He scored well in isolation situations, catch and shoot, post-up situations, etc. He's a cerebral player that knows how to get good shots and doesn't rely on his athleticism to score points the way Wes did. And he's a pretty good defender in his own right. Johnson had more potential than Barnes did, but he never lived up to it. I think Barnes is a safe bet to end up being a 14-18 PPG guy that also gives you decent defense at the next level.

Wow, that's pathetic. Johnson was an excellent 3 point shooter, he led the team in blocked shots, I believe, and was a great help side defender, and he had athleticism that matches Barnes.

Look below and tell me, who was who?

Season GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG% FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
XXXXXX 38 29.2 17.1 44.0 35.8 72.3 1.1 5.2 0.3 1.1

Season GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG% FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
XXXXXX 35 35.0 16.5 50.2 41.5 77.2 2.2 8.5 1.8 1.7

 

[Melancer46]

Wow, that's pathetic. Johnson was an excellent 3 point shooter, he led the team in blocked shots, I believe, and was a great help side defender, and he had athleticism that matches Barnes.

Look below and tell me, who was who?

Season GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG% FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
XXXXXX 38 29.2 17.1 44.0 35.8 72.3 1.1 5.2 0.3 1.1

Season GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG% FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
XXXXXX 35 35.0 16.5 50.2 41.5 77.2 2.2 8.5 1.8 1.7

I already know the bottom guy was Wes. Those statistics don't show the kind of player that they were at all though.

What did I say above that was incorrect? I said Wes could catch and shoot. He could. I said he could catch, take a step, and dunk. He could. He couldn't create a shot for himself if his life depended on it. And he had good potential as a defender, but that was still a question mark because he played in the back line of the zone.

Barnes is a far more polished basketball player. Johnson was a high-risk high-reward pick.