Kenterius Womack...going forward

[qdawgg]

I don't think we'll miss much with Hunt down. Shafer said Dungey can run everything (though Lester said he'd have to scale back a bit). They are resourceful and creative. We've seen base packages vs an overmatched foe.

Patience.

I'm not sure that this is a fact. It may prove to be true, it may not. You tend to write things as if they are definite truths. I'm not sure I've seen anything in the offense the last couple of years that would lead me to say that we are resourceful and creative.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

And yet, we need depth at QB. If we don't move Womack back, we're two freak plays (or with SU, not-so-freak plays) from having to play Zach Mahoney. Think about that. Zach. Mahoney.

That's where I'm at too. Somebody's got to be the "in case of emergency break glass" QB. The thinking here might be too simplistic, but I think we're best off with a player there initially recruited as a QB than we are with a walk-on.

Although maybe it's sixes. Probably not a great chance of winning either way.

 

[CIL]

Womack is an excellent athlete but is not a division 1 QB. Please people understand that. I know his highlight tape looked great, but they are called highlight tapes for a reason.

Womack struggled with accuracy and reading coverages in practice and was moved about a week into camp. That should tell you something.

It doesn't mean he won't find another way to contribute to this program. In fact, the most around the program think he could be an excellent WR at this level. Not just average - excellent. He would benefit getting all the reps he can get at WR at this juncture.

We have 3 QBs for now. Long is pretty close to being healed up.

 

[TheCusian]

And yet, we need depth at QB. If we don't move Womack back, we're two freak plays (or with SU, not-so-freak plays) from having to play Zach Mahoney. Think about that. Zach. Mahoney.

Yep. That's why I said Womack should be getting reps in practice as the 3rd string until AJ is ready.

 

[TheCusian]

I'm not sure that this is a fact. It may prove to be true, it may not. You tend to write things as if they are definite truths. I'm not sure I've seen anything in the offense the last couple of years that would lead me to say that we are resourceful and creative.

Lester has one game under his belt in his system. The staff said the played it close to the vest. Meaning - there is a bunch we haven't seen the could and will fall into the creative dept. I think the last two years are irrelevant. We certainly haven't seen enough to say "let's take Womack and create a special package for him."

 

[TheCusian]

Womack is an excellent athlete but is not a division 1 QB. Please people understand that. I know his highlight tape looked great, but they are called highlight tapes for a reason. Womack struggled with accuracy and reading coverages in practice and was moved about a week into camp. That should tell you something. It doesn't mean he won't find another way to contribute to this program. In fact, the most around the program think he could be an excellent WR at this level. Not just average - excellent. He would benefit getting all the reps he can get at WR at this juncture. We have 3 QBs for now. Long is pretty close to being healed up.

Case. Closed.

 

[qdawgg]

Lester has one game under his belt in his system. The staff said the played it close to the vest. Meaning - there is a bunch we haven't seen the could and will fall into the creative dept. I think the last two years are irrelevant. We certainly haven't seen enough to say "let's take Womack and create a special package for him."

I think you're proving my point. Lester has one game under his belt. You said this staff is creative, we have zero clue if this is accurate or not even though you tell us it's a fact.

I don't want to see Womack at QB.

 

[SWC75]

If we redshirt Long, he'll have three more years of eligibility after this year, same as Dungey. Is he going to beat out Dungey in that time? Are we likely to recurit someone better than Long in that time? I see no reason to redshirt Long except for medical reasons.

Also the idea of giving Womack reps at least until Long gets back is not that he's going to be our starting quarterback someday. it's to give us an emergency quarterback. We all know what happened last year.

One more thought: I was amazed that in three years we never ran a play for Broyld where he would throw a pass. I don't mean a drop back pass. I'm, talking about an option. Will we do it with Womack?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Womack is an excellent athlete but is not a division 1 QB. Please people understand that. I know his highlight tape looked great, but they are called highlight tapes for a reason.

Womack struggled with accuracy and reading coverages in practice and was moved about a week into camp. That should tell you something.

It doesn't mean he won't find another way to contribute to this program. In fact, the most around the program think he could be an excellent WR at this level. Not just average - excellent. He would benefit getting all the reps he can get at WR at this juncture.

We have 3 QBs for now. Long is pretty close to being healed up.

Is he less of a D1 QB than our walk-on QBs? I get that long term he doesn't project there, but that's a different thing. Mostly I think we're talking about disaster planning.

Plus, I mean, his redshirt is burned so we need not concern ourselves with 2019 anymore.

 

[omniorange]

Womack is an excellent athlete but is not a division 1 QB. Please people understand that. I know his highlight tape looked great, but they are called highlight tapes for a reason.

Womack struggled with accuracy and reading coverages in practice and was moved about a week into camp. That should tell you something.

It doesn't mean he won't find another way to contribute to this program. In fact, the most around the program think he could be an excellent WR at this level. Not just average - excellent. He would benefit getting all the reps he can get at WR at this juncture.

We have 3 QBs for now. Long is pretty close to being healed up.

At the risk of being called pessimistic, other than Dungey there probably isn't a D1 QB on the team. Not sure Hunt truly was either. He was more a RB playing QB to me. The majority of the good damage he did was with his legs while the bad damage usually was done with his arm (more interceptions than touchdowns).

At this point, I'm praying that ED doesn't get hurt. Because if he does, I don't like our chances at all.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[orangepassion]

At the risk of being called pessimistic, other than Dungey there probably isn't a D1 QB on the team. Not sure Hunt truly was either. He was more a RB playing QB to me. The majority of the good damage he did was with his legs while the bad damage usually was done with his arm (more interceptions than touchdowns).

At this point, I'm praying that ED doesn't get hurt. Because if he does, I don't like our chances at all.

Cheers,
Neil

Hunt was the MVP of our Bowl game against a decent Minnesota team. That's pretty good for someone who isn't a D-1 QB.

 

[orangepassion]

As a fellow Womack, he should be given the Doug Womack role

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/doug-womack-1.html

 

[omniorange]

Hunt was the MVP of our Bowl game against a decent Minnesota team. That's pretty good for someone who isn't a D-1 QB.

Which is one reason I said, "not sure" he was a D1 QB. But even in that game, did he do more damage with his legs or with his arm?

Too lazy to go look at the stats, but I think his TDs were all with his legs and a lot of his completed passes were short throws that Brisly Estime and others got YAC.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[TheCusian]

I think you're proving my point. Lester has one game under his belt. You said this staff is creative, we have zero clue if this is accurate or not even though you tell us it's a fact. I don't want to see Womack at QB.

We ran base plays. You're suggesting that those base plays are it? That was the full playbook? Finwad suggested in a tweet that we've not seen anything yet.

 

[texascpa]

Right--that was the plan. But now that Hunt is injured / missing the year, the equation has changed. Long could still be the #2 [or emergency #3, behind Wilson] and still redshirt. With a true freshman at the helm, I doubt we're going to be in too many situations where we'll be able to comfortably get the second string QB work [barring injury].

But I'd rather have Long available to play than resort to walk ons, if needed.

Oh, I agree.

 

[julaw]

Who needs Womack when we have Riley Dixon as our backup QB? I kid I kid!!! #RileyForHeisman

 

[RoofBeam]

Many of you guys missed the point of the original post. I am not suggesting KW as a replacement for Dungey (unless something really catastrophic happens) and I am not even suggesting that he is a D1 QB. What I am suggesting is that KW has a unique set of skills that could be employed at the QB position to provide meaningful variation in the offense and create problems all over the field for the defense. Even if he couldn't throw at all, which is not the case, many of you seem to have forgotten what a mobile, inventive qb with escapability and speed can do to a defense (See Anomander's post above on Cooper from USC)

 

[TheCusian]

Many of you guys missed the point of the original post. I am not suggesting KW as a replacement for Dungey (unless something really catastrophic happens) and I am not even suggesting that he is a D1 QB. What I am suggesting is that KW has a unique set of skills that could be employed at the QB position to provide meaningful variation in the offense and create problems all over the field for the defense. Even if he couldn't throw at all, which is not the case, many of you seem to have forgotten what a mobile, inventive qb with escapability and speed can do to a defense (See Anomander's post above on Cooper from USC)

Haven't forgotten. Just believe we've now seen about 15% off the new system. We'll know if we need to waste snaps on a Womack gadget package in a few weeks. In the meantime - patience.

 

[anomander]

Haven't forgotten. Just believe we've now seen about 15% off the new system. We'll know if we need to waste snaps on a Womack gadget package in a few weeks. In the meantime - patience.

My post has nothing to do with doubts in Dungey's ability. It's just an idea I saw executed flawlessly on Thursday night. Granted it was with Pharoah Cooper, but my point stands. Connor Mitch is kind of like Dungey (plus the 4stars), a young, athletic QB. I thought the way Spurrier used Cooper helped alleviate some of the pressure from Mitch. Almost like the whole offense wasn't on his shoulders. With a true Freshman QB it's inevitable there will be bumps. I was just suggesting it could be a good idea to install some packages if he's struggling, or the offense needs a kickstart. Obviously i'm spitballing here, and don't expect Lester to do this, but if I was an OC, and had similar assets at my disposal, and I saw how effective Spurrier used Cooper Thursday,I would be thinking how I could incorporate this into my offense.

 

[CuseGuy78]

At the risk of being called pessimistic, other than Dungey there probably isn't a D1 QB on the team. Not sure Hunt truly was either. He was more a RB playing QB to me. The majority of the good damage he did was with his legs while the bad damage usually was done with his arm (more interceptions than touchdowns).

At this point, I'm praying that ED doesn't get hurt. Because if he does, I don't like our chances at all.

Cheers,
Neil

Agreed... we don't have any D1 quarterbacks other than Dungey, and that definitely included Hunt. Dungey will struggle this year but I would be shocked if he isn't our starting QB the next four years. Maybe even all ACC down the road.

 

[TheCusian]

My post has nothing to do with doubts in Dungey's ability. It's just an idea I saw executed flawlessly on Thursday night. Granted it was with Pharoah Cooper, but my point stands. Connor Mitch is kind of like Dungey (plus the 4stars), a young, athletic QB. I thought the way Spurrier used Cooper helped alleviate some of the pressure from Mitch. Almost like the whole offense wasn't on his shoulders. With a true Freshman QB it's inevitable there will be bumps. I was just suggesting it could be a good idea to install some packages if he's struggling, or the offense needs a kickstart. Obviously i'm spitballing here, and don't expect Lester to do this, but if I was an OC, and had similar assets at my disposal, and I saw how effective Spurrier used Cooper Thursday,I would be thinking how I could incorporate this into my offense.

I hear ya. That's reasonable. I'm just very bullish on the offense. I think the system will be effective enough that we won't need to add plays outside of it (and take away reps).

But I could be convinced otherwise.

 

[Crusty]

Many of you guys missed the point of the original post. I am not suggesting KW as a replacement for Dungey (unless something really catastrophic happens) and I am not even suggesting that he is a D1 QB. What I am suggesting is that KW has a unique set of skills that could be employed at the QB position to provide meaningful variation in the offense and create problems all over the field for the defense. Even if he couldn't throw at all, which is not the case, many of you seem to have forgotten what a mobile, inventive qb with escapability and speed can do to a defense (See Anomander's post above on Cooper from USC)

Agreed. There is always the old end around as well as reverses, sweeps and trickeration plays. If this kid is on the field the challenge is to get him the ball. Learning to get off of the line is all technique. Ish had the problem early last year and I suspect Womack will learn by mid-season as well.

If you can't recruit the wide receivers you need, what do you do? You recruit athletes. KW was never going to be a QB in my view. Sure, they gave him the chance, but he saw where his future is pretty quickly. I am excited to see him play. Speed, smarts and hands. Brisly and Kenterius at the same time - can't wait.