Kicking a fg down 16 with under 10 left

[Millhouse]

How many concussions did this guy have? Does he want his alma mater to win

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

Momentum for the D if you hit it. They were a 3rd and long from getting the ball back to tie. Hit the FG your driving for a win.

 

[CarlsbergMD]

I think a bigger blunder was not getting their TE Evans involved in 1st-2nd quarter on short/medium safety routes...Also not trying at all to give Love the ball at all was bad.

 

[W'boro'Cuse315]

Just a mind boggling decision. Posted this in the CFB Playoff/defacto game thread:

The more I think about it, the less it makes sense. You’re down 16 at OSU’s 9 yd line. You know you need 2 TDs. If they hit the FG, they’d still need 2 TDs.

By kicking, you’re betting on your D. Aren’t you betting on them more by going for the TD? Whether you turnover on downs or take the FG, you’re still down 2 TDs. You’re basically just giving ND the ball on the 25 (had they hit the FG) rather than the 9. Basically, being down 13 is no different than being down 16. The fact that they stopped OSU so quickly only further highlights the stupidity.

 

[JRHEETER]

Just a mind boggling decision. Posted this in the CFB Playoff/defacto game thread:

But you’re also now only down 13 vs 16.

So you need the two tds yes, but they also probably weren’t going to get a td from that position. After that drive you needed to show points.

So now you still need the two tds but you don’t need the two, two point conversions as well.

And if you can somehow score the 2 tds you will win by one point

 

[JRHEETER]

But you’re also now only down 13 vs 16.

So you need the two tds yes, but they also probably weren’t going to get a td from that position. After that drive you needed to show points.

So now you still need the two tds but you don’t need the two, two point conversions as well.

And if you can somehow score the 2 tds you will win by one point

And honestly, it almost worked out for them even missing that field goal.

If the one defender doesn’t get that roughing the passer like a dope, they probably got the ball back and would have had a chance to drive and try to tie the game up.

Again, had they kicked that FG, they would have been only down 6 at that point vs 8.


I think people are discounting how hard it is to convert a 2 pt conversion

 

[orangenauburn]

How many concussions did this guy have? Does he want his alma mater to win

He was in over his head last night.

They turtled the second quarter and made were all out of sorts at the end of the half. They don't know what to do and let the half play out instead of using their timeouts and try to get down field for points.

 

[JRHEETER]

He was in over his head last night.

They turtled the second quarter and made were all out of sorts at the end of the half. They don't know what to do and let the half play out instead of using their timeouts and try to get down field for points.

Do you mean when they had 23 secs left?

Because if that’s what you’re referring to, if they had done that and say Leonard threw an INT and Ohio State kicked a FG or scored a TD it would have been even worse at half for ND.

Calling the screen pass and seeing if it springs anything was the right move. They didn’t pick up a huge chunk of yardage so you let the clock run out.

 

[orangenauburn]

Do you mean when they had 23 secs left?

Because if that’s what you’re referring to, if they had done that and say Leonard threw an INT and Ohio State kicked a FG or scored a TD it would have been even worse at half for ND.

Calling the screen pass and seeing if it springs anything was the right move. They didn’t pick up a huge chunk of yardage so you let the clock run out.

Not to be argumentive but it was 27 seconds left when they started.

They got 7 yards on the screen - it didn't bust big and he didn't go out of bounds. Use a timeout.

Now you have 21 seconds and a timeout. You need 30 yards for a 55 yard FG attempt. That's not unreasonable to obtain with college clock rules and a timeout.

Say they get a quick hitter out of bounds for another 8 yards and five seconds. Now you are down to needing 22 yards in 16 seconds with a timeout remaining.

Run a quick out and grab another 6 yards and four seconds of run off.

Now you are down to needing sixteen yards with twelve seconds left and a timeout.

That is manageable and has happened numerous times before, pro and college level.

Go back and watch end of half. They were unorganized and confused on what to do. No sense of urgency or rush, but clearly confused. Leonard was trying to get people lined up and moving as the clock ran out.

 

[AcAndAc]

Not to be argumentive but it was 27 seconds left when they started.

They got 7 yards on the screen - it didn't bust big and he didn't go out of bounds. Use a timeout.

Now you have 21 seconds and a timeout. You need 30 yards for a 55 yard FG attempt. That's not unreasonable to obtain with college clock rules and a timeout.

Say they get a quick hitter out of bounds for another 8 yards and five seconds. Now you are down to needing 22 yards in 16 seconds with a timeout remaining.

Run a quick out and grab another 6 yards and four seconds of run off.

Now you are down to needing sixteen yards with twelve seconds left and a timeout.

That is manageable and has happened numerous times before, pro and college level.

Go back and watch end of half. They were unorganized and confused on what to do. No sense of urgency or rush, but clearly confused. Leonard was trying to get people lined up and moving as the clock ran out.

55 yard FG attempt with a kicker that missed a 27-yarder?

 

[JRHEETER]

55 yard FG attempt with a kicker that missed a 27-yarder?

Exactly, it’s not like Jeter had really been automatic this season.

The risk wouldn’t be worth the reward

 

[upperdeck]

the play calling was bad after that first drive for 2/3 of the game

 

[orangenauburn]

55 yard FG attempt with a kicker that missed a 27-yarder?

You miss 100% of the kicks you don't take

 

[CbusCuse]

Also OSU mismanaged the play clock in the last 4 minutes several times leaving around 15 seconds on the clock when snapping the ball. They were lucky that didn't come back to bite them in the @$$.

 

[All4SU]

Was that game last night?

 

[upperdeck]

imagine that last hero throw doesn't get caught.

Throwing isnt a bad thing. But throwing 50 yd passes is on the edge

 

[sufandu]

He was in over his head last night.

They turtled the second quarter and made were all out of sorts at the end of the half. They don't know what to do and let the half play out instead of using their timeouts and try to get down field for points.

They had a chance in the 4th quarter against a team with superior talent that killed everyone else they played in the cfp. That doesn't sound like he was over his head.

 

[sufandu]

the play calling was bad after that first drive for 2/3 of the game

They had to call the rest of the game different than the first drive. Leonard could't carry it 40 times.

 

[AcAndAc]

You miss 100% of the kicks you don't take

Or, in some instances, 100% of the kicks you do try.

 

[NineOneSeven]

But you’re also now only down 13 vs 16.

So you need the two tds yes, but they also probably weren’t going to get a td from that position. After that drive you needed to show points.

So now you still need the two tds but you don’t need the two, two point conversions as well.

And if you can somehow score the 2 tds you will win by one point

Yeah but how about missing the FG? That is part of the realm of possibilities.

 

[upperdeck]

They had to call the rest of the game different than the first drive. Leonard could't carry it 40 times.

true. But do they only have like 6 plays in the play book?

 

[Eric15]

Down 21-7 with like 25 seconds left and two timeouts before the end of the half, I'm shocked ND didn't try to get into field goal range. It's just too conservative in a game where you're not getting stops.

Twice this year our opponent did that and it was a huge favor to us. UNLV and Virginia Tech had time and timeouts to work with before the end of regulation, and both times they just took a knee. And we won both. You have to give yourself a chance.

 

[money3189]

Freeman makes good decisions a lot more than bad ones.

 

[upperdeck]

if you have a QB you dont trust to make throws it becomes hard to move the ball

 

[hoopsupstate]

I believe that ND had the worst percentage on third and long in the country. Might have a lot to do with Freeman’s decision.