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Kiyan deserves to be the starter

Jake said:
As a coach, you don’t replace a guy due to injury. JJ will start, but he’s not going to be an iron man. This is a hugely positive development for the team. We have an easy decision for Red if JJ doesn’t play well.

At the end of last year, Red was clearly frustrated with JJs decisions when the ball was in his hands in late game situations. You could see it in their interactions.

I was absolutely floored a couple games ago when Matt Park suggested that Red’s plan was to go to JJ in game winning situations. I don’t think that’s the plan. I think
Red will play the hot hand.
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I said all last year put it in Petar's hands and let him cook! Seriously though just looking at the rosters won the floor to close out games it's crazy.
 
CuseMan4 said:
The BEST Cuse teams we’ve had have a strong punch off the bench. The last several years we’d be happy if we got even 10-15 points off the bench. JJ comes back. We’ll have Kiyan, Betsy and Sadiq off the bench. We’d be averaging 20-30 pints off the bench with that. Just because you don’t start doesn’t mean you don’t get starter minutes. If Kiyan doesn’t start he’ll still get plenty of minutes. It makes the opposing team gameplay for our started and then 2-3 guys off the bench. It’s a big advantage.

Think of Waiters when he was here. Or Kris Joseph early in his career, Jerami Grant Freshman year, or CJ Fair early in his career, etc. those were some of our better players and they were coming off the bench. It’s good to have and takes your team to the next level.
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2003 you had Billy, Josh, and Jeremy off the bench, good offense and defense. That's what makes good to great teams.
 
OrangeinBoston said:
You know who Kiyan reminds me of...
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It really is Moten, though it feels both icky and premature to say so.

But, Kiyan glides. He isn’t super quick or fast. He isn’t powerful.

But he is crafty enough to get by people and to exploit spaces. He’s strong enough and effective with the body to get shots off on balance against the contact that he initiates. He has an all-court game.

I wish we could go back to see what we were saying about Moten back then. I think I was probably skeptical, that he could do what he was doing (as a freshman) all year long, against bigger and better competition. When I first saw Moten, I thought his effectiveness and efficiency was a mirage that would quickly vanish. But… nope!
 
M2MPrinciples said:
If you need a metric that describes how smooth and in control he is, Kiyan has 0 turnovers in 57 minutes.
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He's shooting 67% from the field.
Which includes 43% from 3.
(FT's "only" 3/8, but that should improve)

2nd on team in scoring at 17 per.
He's averaging 3.5 dimes to 0 TO's, and also 3 boards / game.

All while leading the team w 29 minutes/game.
As a true Frosh.

That'll do, rook. That'll do.
 
Zelda Zonk said:
It really is Moten, though it feels both icky and premature to say so.

But, Kiyan glides. He isn’t super quick or fast. He isn’t powerful.

But he is crafty enough to get by people and to exploit spaces. He’s strong enough and effective with the body to get shots off on balance against the contact that he initiates. He has an all-court game.

I wish we could go back to see what we were saying about Moten back then. I think I was probably skeptical, that he could do what he was doing (as a freshman) all year long, against bigger and better competition. When I first saw Moten, I thought his effectiveness and efficiency was a mirage that would quickly vanish. But… nope!
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To me he has a lot of Moten in his game but paired quite a bit with Kyle Andersons game just Kiyan is definitely quicker than Kyle was.
 
Kiyan is better in the half-court offense. We need him against the good teams becuase he is a creator. JJ is a offensive rythym killer and bad at defense. He needs to be a sixth man.
 
If he holds up in better competition, he'll be our best SG since Tyus Battle. He plays active defense, can shoot 3s, and can slash.
 
Jake said:
As a coach, you don’t replace a guy due to injury.
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Jake, normally I agree with this unwritten rule of sports, but this season I don't think Red has the luxury of abiding by it. He needs to play the players that will give him the best chance of getting to the NCAA tournament, or else his career as a head coach will be three years long.
 
Eric15 said:
Jake, normally I agree with this unwritten rule of sports, but this season I don't think Red has the luxury of abiding by it. He needs to play the players that will give him the best chance of getting to the NCAA tournament, or else his career as a head coach will be three years long.
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But does it matter if Kiyan starts? There are 30 minutes off the bench for him if he earns them. The same as he has gotten as a starter.
 
General20 said:
But does it matter if Kiyan starts? There are 30 minutes off the bench for him if he earns them. The same as he has gotten as a starter.
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I was just replying to the point that a player (JJ) shouldn’t lose their starting spot due to injury. Given our 11 years of terrible basketball, I don’t think we have the luxury of worrying about that. If Starling losing his starting spot gives us a more effective rotation, so be it. And I say this as someone who likes JJ.
 
There’s 80 minutes available in the backcourt and some additional minutes at the three. I see JJ getting around 25 minutes and George around 32. That leaves 23 minutes in the backcourt plus anything at the three. It will work it’s way out. Same thing in the frontcourt. There’s 120 minutes o be divided up between 6 players.
 
Eric15 said:
I was just replying to the point that a player (JJ) shouldn’t lose their starting spot due to injury. Given our 11 years of terrible basketball, I don’t think we have the luxury of worrying about that. If Starling losing his starting spot gives us a more effective rotation, so be it. And I say this as someone who likes JJ.
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OK, so - JJ (when healthy) gets the start.

First or 2nd TO, Kiyan comes in.
If/when Red wants to rest Nait, then maybe JJ can stay on the floor with Kiyan for a while.

Don't think Kiyan cares if he's first off the bench, vs. JJ may not respond well to that.

Mange the minutes based on who is playing better in a given game/half.
 
721Comstock said:
OK, so - JJ (when healthy) gets the start.

First or 2nd TO, Kiyan comes in.
If/when Red wants to rest Nait, then maybe JJ can stay on the floor with Kiyan for a while.

Don't think Kiyan cares if he's first off the bench, vs. JJ may not respond well to that.

Mange the minutes based on who is playing better in a given game/half.
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I agree that JJ will probably get the start but I'm sort of conflicted. I don't like replacing a guy due to injury and I respect JJ. I think he's played hard and appears to be a good teammate. However, Kiyan is the better player for our team so I'd like him on the court to set the tone at the beginning of games.
 
Truthfully, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I prefer Kiyan off the bench, but I disagree with all of the Kiyan OR JJ dialog. I see no reason why Kiyan cant also sub in for Kingz if JJ is playing well. The important thing, is that if Kiyan can play well against ACC caliber foes is that he gets his 25 to 30 minutes in the end.
 

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