Kyle McCord to NFL Draft

[richmondcuse03]

I don’t even know what to think anymore. Stuff like what King Joseph Edwards is posting on twitter as recent as less than an hour ago makes me think Kyle really is coming back. But I understand what everyone else is saying as well. We all just need a concrete yes or no already lol.

Guess they could also have a good sense that the ncaa is changing the rule and he’s going to put his name in draft but pull out ahead of the final deadline on feb 7 if things are less certain. But that requires the coaching staff being confident in jakari because they’re otherwise portal shopping in the spring when most good targets are gone.

 

[orangefog]

Despite all the well informed and appreciated information, I’m holding out for a well produced hype video kicking off the Kyle McCord 2025 HEISMANN CAMPAIGN at the DART Party!!!

 

[PeteCalvin]

What I’m feeling about the latest turn in this thread…

 

[javadoc]

Finally some clarity.

This is very much in line to what I had been hearing for a bit.

I will say, I got excited with the Mccalister mistake, and thought there might be more going on behind the scenes or information that wasn’t fully out yet that the coaches know.

Sounds like it’s a pretty done deal and it’s time to move on from McCord.

What an awesome year, would love to have him back but unfortunately it’s not in the cards.

Thank you for this update and information.

At the end of the day a young man and private citizens are foreclosed from engaging in significant commerce due to the arbitrary policies of the NCAA, and the self-serving actions of the coach. And no one can see a way to get out of this shameful result.

 

[David321]

I'm taking KJE's tweets VERY seriously. Not doubting any of the board insiders but information is fluid and changes quickly.

 

[ElwoodJBlues]

Unless Day/OSU admitted a big mistake to the NCAA that will make them look bad, I don’t see how there’s much of a leg to stand on. That being said I’m irrationally getting my hopes up.

 

[SUFan44]

The team party was scheduled last month for the 18th to allow the entire team to attend due to Christmas break.
McCord’s initial eligibility request was submitted the first week of spring camp and denied almost immediately. His appeal was filed in August, with an amendment mid November. The NCAA has until February 6 to review and file a decision on the appeal, February 7 is deadline for eligible athletes to make thier decision to return or become draft-eligible. The NCAA sub committee which reviews the filings concluded that there has to be gross negligence by the athletic institutions involved (Ohio St., SU) in regards to player participation and show beyond fair preponderance of law that it was detrimental to the student athlete.
Unfortunately McCord does not fall into this category. Playing time received is not a show of negligence on behalf of the university and its proxy (Ryan Day). There was no ill-intent by playing an eligible athlete in a game.
That being said, ultimately Kyle and Syracuse are going to be denied a 5th year. However, his case and 40 plus similar cases have pushed the governing body Committee members to vote next year to make wide spread rule changes for all Division I sports to allow for 5 years eligibility.

I think that's all true and is 100% what will happen.

However, the bolded statement I do take a bit of an issue with. I'm not sure playing time received ISN'T a show of negligence in this day and age of NIL, and burning a year of eligibility for 5 plays.

Circumstances do matter.

 

[richmondcuse03]

https://247sports.com/player/ryan-puglisi-46117072/

Could be an interesting name to watch.

Agree. If he stays at Georgia he’s at best the number two next year and maybe following with potential for starting one year at most. He makes a lot of sense as someone who can come in and compete and add more depth. And be closer to home.

Plus we have good relationships to his HS and plenty of former players.

 

[tep624]

I think that's all true and is 100% what will happen.

However, the bolded statement I do take a bit of an issue with. I'm not sure playing time received ISN'T a show of negligence in this day and age of NIL, and burning a year of eligibility for 5 plays.

Circumstances do matter.

I keep going back and forth on whether there is negligence with Day/OSU irrespective of NIL.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

I keep going back and forth on whether there is negligence with Day/OSU irrespective of NIL.

No. JFC.

Edit: Even considering NIL, no.

 

[Eric15]

I just can't believe the NCAA isn't factoring into their decision making calculus re: McCord how happy him coming back would personally make me.

 

[pokercuse08]

Players earning NIL money isn’t on the list of reason and would never be the penultimate reason for approval

But avoiding an embarrassing lawsuit for the NCAA and one of its highest profile member institutions could very well be the unofficial (but actual) reason.

 

[721Comstock]

I don’t think the negligence is with Day or OSU. NIL didn’t exist 5 years ago.

However I think it’s reasonable to think that had NIL been in place during his freshman year, the odds of his RS being mismanaged would be much lower. The legal claim would revolve around the NCAA denying his claim under these circumstances.

But - it is "just" NIL?

It's the ability to play in college for another year - which now, due to NIL, is a MASSIVE financial impact.

But it's also having another full season at the end of his career,
vs.
a handful of meaningless snaps in a 5th game during his early career - which is also potentially a MASSIVE financial impact,
based on how it could shape his future Pro career, or IF he even has one.


Kyle could be Joe Burrow 2.0:
who, had he left college a year earlier, is likely just a later-round or UDFA pick.
But instead he had that amazing final season, won it all, won the Heisman, and is now getting PAID.

The NCAA screwing him out of that opportunity **, is the basis for his claim for a waiver.

** because his coach stupidly burned his RS.

 

[orangefog]

I keep going back and forth on whether there is negligence with Day/OSU irrespective of NIL.

I think it was simply Day having Ewers and McCord in the same class. He chose to redshirt Ewers (played in one game and transferred to Texas), and he didn't care about Kyle's redshirt. It's not negligent, it is just him being a dickhead.

 

[SUFan44]

I’m sure Jonnie Morant said the same thing.

I am sure he did, too. So have many others.

At the mercy of the coach, unfortunately, and some/many do not give two flying you know whats about the 5th game.

 

[David321]

 

[pokercuse08]

But - it is "just" NIL?

It's the ability to play in college for another year - which now, due to NIL, is a MASSIVE financial impact.

But it's also having another full season at the end of his career,
vs.
a handful of meaningless snaps in a 5th game during his early career - which is also potentially a MASSIVE financial impact,
based on how it could shape his future Pro career, or IF he even has one.


Kyle could be Joe Burrow 2.0:
who, had he left college a year earlier, is likely just a later-round or UDFA pick.
But instead he had that amazing final season, won it all, won the Heisman, and is now getting PAID.

The NCAA screwing him out of that opportunity **, is the basis for his claim for a waiver.

** because his coach stupidly burned his RS.

Yeah the difference in a late round pick (~$4M over four years) and mid first round pick ($18M over four years, option for fifth) is MASSIVE. Plus the NIL, there's a very real chance that coming back makes McCord $20M over the next five years instead of $4M over five.

 

[pokercuse08]

I guess I’m missing where theres an embarrassing lawsuit. Because a player ran out of eligibility? If that constitutes an embarrassing miss on the part of the NCAA, there would be a lot of embarrassment every year. And Syracuse being one of its “Highest Profile” members is subjective to SU fans. I’m sure Iowa feels the same way.

The high profile member is Ohio State and is not subjective. It would be embarrassing for Ohio State and Day to get dragged into court over moronically burning a redshirt and costing McCord millions, and would be used by rivals to recruit against them going forward.

And the NCAA has enough issues with its teetering hold on power, it doesn't need a lawsuit over eligibility in the age of NIL shining a spotlight on the current situation.

I'm not claiming to know any inside info or saying this is a lock, far from it. But if I were the NCAA, granting any appeals like Kyle's and going to 5 to play 5 as long as you're a student in good standing that whole timeo sounds very appealing. They can hang their hat on academics alone dictating eligibility and eliminate a lot of future headaches.

Last but not least, college football is better and more financially appealing to networks when you have more fifth year players like McCord. From a free market standpoint, it maximizes the value to TV networks and earnings to the players to keep these kids in school a year longer rather than having their talents inefficiently wasted as NFL backups, which used to be the case because $4M/4yrs beats a scholly... and if you're going to 5 for 5, you may as well grant the fifth year to kids in the COVID/5f5 donut hole.

 

[MikeSU02]

I just can't believe the NCAA isn't factoring into their decision making calculus re: McCord how happy him coming back would personally make me.

"Have you taken into consideration the material impact of the loss of holiday joy if this appeal is denied? How do you expect Santa's sleigh to be powered otherwise? Also, his Kyle McCord's Terrell's Honey BBQ Sharp Cheddar-flavored potato chips basically float 90% of the CNY economy, give or take, I haven't checked the numbers exactly on that. Also, his Tik Tok after Miami is driving a resurgence in Google searches of Lud Foe, that has to matter a little bit. Also, you've screwed us so hard on everything else, you owe us this... also, give Boeheim back his wins you losers."

 

[oldpinepoint]

The high profile member is Ohio State and is not subjective. It would be embarrassing for Ohio State and Day to get dragged into court over moronically burning a redshirt and costing McCord millions, and would be used by rivals to recruit against them going forward.

And the NCAA has enough issues with its teetering hold on power, it doesn't need a lawsuit over eligibility in the age of NIL shining a spotlight on the current situation.

I'm not claiming to know any inside info or saying this is a lock, far from it. But if I were the NCAA, granting any appeals like Kyle's and going to 5 to play 5 as long as you're a student in good standing that whole timeo sounds very appealing. They can hang their hat on academics alone dictating eligibility and eliminate a lot of future headaches.

Last but not least, college football is better and more financially appealing to networks when you have more fifth year players like McCord. From a free market standpoint, it maximizes the value to TV networks and earnings to the players to keep these kids in school a year longer rather than having their talents inefficiently wasted as NFL backups, which used to be the case because $4M/4yrs beats a scholly... and if you're going to 5 for 5, you may as well grant the fifth year to kids in the COVID/5f5 donut hole.

More embarrassing than losing to Michigan?

 

[Day2]

I think it was simply Day having Ewers and McCord in the same class. He chose to redshirt Ewers (played in one game and transferred to Texas), and he didn't care about Kyle's redshirt. It's not negligent, it is just him being a dickhead.

According to some fans at OSU, McCord and his dad pushed for Day to play him in that 5th game, because they were worried about Ewers. (I’m just the messenger.)

 

[orangefog]

If they go 5 to play 5, does that make players that redshirted their freshman year and completed their eligibility this year able to play this year?

 

[orangefog]

According to some fans at OSU, McCord and his dad pushed for Day to play him in that 5th game, because they were worried about Ewers. (I’m just the messenger.)

Who knows, maybe that's what happened. But, it doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

[djorange1989]

I never post either. I usually just read the highlights and laugh to myself at the people who argue back and forth and pretend to have inside information. I’m sure you won’t hear from me after today, but I promise I’m a glass half full kinda guy

Thank you for your insight. Do you have any insight into how Fran is handling things with QB transfers? Plowing forward? Slow playing it due to the appeal still pending? Hoping it’s the former

 

[tep624]

I guess I’m missing where theres an embarrassing lawsuit. Because a player ran out of eligibility? If that constitutes an embarrassing miss on the part of the NCAA, there would be a lot of embarrassment every year. And Syracuse being one of its “Highest Profile” members is subjective to SU fans. I’m sure Iowa feels the same way.

At a minimum, Day's mismanagement of his RS year (and McCord is subordinate to Day so it's not in his power to really challenge it) cost McCord the opportunity for a Grad year pre-NIL. There is a financial loss as a result. And post NIL there is an even more significant financial loss that the NCAA could remedy by granting a 6th year. This is where I'm struggling to understand how there isn't negligence.

If the Student Athlete is mismanaged by the Coach to which they are subordinate, I would think it would be the NCAA's responsibility to remedy that.