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Message: [QUOTE="JeremyCuse, post: 5023873, member: 43"] I think Penn State is a really good team but their faceoff issues to me leave them vulnerable against other top end teams. I'd put UVA and ND ahead of them for sure. I also think you could make the argument that Cuse would be ahead of them. I think Duke would probably beat them head to head with Naso though I acknowledge Duke is a stretch to rank ahead of them when you look at who they've beaten. If you wanna rank them 3 vs 5 I think it's fine, it's really splitting hairs. They're a good team who could easily make a final four run with the right draw. [/QUOTE]