Looking back at the 09-10 and 11-12 orange scoring numbers,...

[orangefan13]

09-10 orange
Wes averaged 16.5 ppg
Rautins 12.1 ppg
Joseph 10.8 ppg
Onuaku 10.5 ppg
Jacks 9.7 ppg
Scoop 9.1 ppg
Triche 8.1 ppg(didnt realize it was so high)

With scoring averages so high thats a huge part to the high assist numbers, and maybe the most unselfish syracuse team ever.

11-12 orange
Joseph 13.4 ppg
Dion 12.6 ppg
Triche 9.4 ppg
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Scoop 8.9
Cj 8.5
Fab 7.5
Southerland 4.9
keita/christmas 5.2
MCW- 2.1 ppg = 37 ppg.

I think Fair, Grant and Ennis will actually outscore the 11-12 joseph dion and triche trio easily.
Do you think the rest of our team could match the rest of 11-12's 37 ppg?????

 

[Cusefan10923]

Great post! Hard to say, I mean obviously CJ will average more than Joseph did. But will Grant average 12.6? Ennis 9.4? It is very attainable and not unreasonable for them to average around those numbers. Those two teams were just so high powered and DOMINATED so many games. I absolutely think that this years squad outside of that trio could put together at least close to 37 ppg. Will they is another question tho.

Who do you guys think was a better team, 09-10 or 11-12. Very hard for me to go with one or the other, so I would like to hear what you guys have to say. The one thing I will say about the 09-10 team is that they had a star go to guy in Wes, and a much better offensive low post game with AO and Rick.

 

[Cusefan10923]

Great post! Hard to say, I mean obviously CJ will average more than Joseph did. But will Grant average 12.6? Ennis 9.4? It is very attainable and not unreasonable for them to average around those numbers. Those two teams were just so high powered and DOMINATED so many games. I absolutely think that this years squad outside of that trio could put together at least close to 37 ppg. Will they is another question tho.

Who do you guys think was a better team, 09-10 or 11-12. Very hard for me to go with one or the other, so I would like to hear what you guys have to say. The one thing I will say about the 09-10 team is that they had a star go to guy in Wes, and a much better offensive low post game with AO and Rick.

As i just read my post I second guessed myself with the go to guy because we had Dion in 11-12. You can clearly see the dilemma when comparing the two teams.

 

[orangefan13]

Great post! Hard to say, I mean obviously CJ will average more than Joseph did. But will Grant average 12.6? Ennis 9.4? It is very attainable and not unreasonable for them to average around those numbers. Those two teams were just so high powered and DOMINATED so many games. I absolutely think that this years squad outside of that trio could put together at least close to 37 ppg. Will they is another question tho.

Who do you guys think was a better team, 09-10 or 11-12. Very hard for me to go with one or the other, so I would like to hear what you guys have to say. The one thing I will say about the 09-10 team is that they had a star go to guy in Wes, and a much better offensive low post game with AO and Rick.

I would take 09-10.
I think Fair will average close to 16 this year. So with the difference between him and Joseph take 2.5 ppg off dions average giving him 10. That puts Grant and Ennis having to outscore Dion and Triche at 10 and 9.5, and I think they will.

 

[sufandu]

09-10. More balanced inside/outside scoring and better rebounding, only slightly worse defense (if it was any worse at all).

 

[anomander]

Without looking it up I want to say that 09-10 team had one of the highest fg% and 3pt % team I can remember. Just look at that roster, there isn't a lot of bad shot takers on that squad, hence the high assist total.

Unfortunately I have a feeling this years squad is going to be a lot more like last years team, then the 09-10 or 11-12. Other then Fair, and maybe Grant, there isn't a high % shooter out of the bunch.

 

[OttoMets]

Cumulatively, maybe that trio will surpass the '12s' 35 per.

Individually, I hope we don't need 9.4 from Ennis. To me, that means that we continue to have trouble getting points from the 2 and the freshman point needs to take on too much of the burden.

Ideally Ennis is a capable distributor and adequate defender with fewer than two turnovers and about five shot attempts per game.

 

[OttoMets]

Without looking it up I want to say that 09-10 team had one of the highest fg% and 3pt % team I can remember. Just look at that roster, there isn't a lot of bad shot takers on that squad, hence the high assist total.

Unfortunately I have a feeling this years squad is going to be a lot more like last years team, then the 09-10 or 11-12. Other then Fair, and maybe Grant, there isn't a high % shooter out of the bunch.

I'll be interested to see how C.J.'s shot selection evolves this year. One of the reasons he's had such good numbers (and really ridiculous three-point numbers) is that he's got excellent judgment - he's not gunning and taking shots he can't make. Nearly all of his threes were open, makeable shots.

Does this change now that he's the go-to scorer? How does Grant convert his open looks as the afterthought?

[Off-hand, 2010 shot something like .520 for the year. Incredible; between that and the unselfishness, what an easy team to like and a difficult team to play. Doubt we approach any of those offensive numbers -- though maybe we have fewer turnovers? -- but hopefully we're a great deal better than last season's gang that couldn't shoot straight.]

 

[sufandu]

I'll be interested to see how C.J.'s shot selection evolves this year. One of the reasons he's had such good numbers (and really ridiculous three-point numbers) is that he's got excellent judgment - he's not gunning and taking shots he can't make. Nearly all of his threes were open, makeable shots.

Does this change now that he's the go-to scorer? How does Grant convert his open looks as the afterthought?

[Off-hand, 2010 shot something like .520 for the year. Incredible; between that and the unselfishness, what an easy team to like and a difficult team to play. Doubt we approach any of those offensive numbers -- though maybe we have fewer turnovers? -- but hopefully we're a great deal better than last season's gang that couldn't shoot straight.]

This is the key question with CJ. It's easy to have good judgement when you're not the go to guy. Can he make the tough shot when the shot clock is running down that he wasn't forced to take last year?

 

[RF2044]

[Off-hand, 2010 shot something like .520 for the year. Incredible; between that and the unselfishness, what an easy team to like and a difficult team to play. Doubt we approach any of those offensive numbers -- though maybe we have fewer turnovers? -- but hopefully we're a great deal better than last season's gang that couldn't shoot straight.]

Probably the most offensively balanced team we've ever had. Great interior passing team, as well.

 

[orangefan13]

4 guys scoring double digits with two more scoring 9 or more and a 7th averaging above 8ppg is great numbers. And Flynn or Devendorf could have came back on top of it.

Even without a championship that is probably one of the top 10 best offensively balenced teams since 2000.

 

[Widget24]

Another thing to consider is the pace and averages scores of ACC games versus the BE. I'm too lazy to look it up right now to see if there's really that much of a difference, but I would think that the ACC style of play will give a slight bump to the ppg numbers that we would have seen if the BE was still intact. Higher tempo games with less of that grind-it-out crap that I'm hoping Pitt doesn't infect the ACC with should translate to more shot attempts and higher ppg values for our guys. It may not be significant, but it's something to think about.

 

[jordoo]

Another thing to consider is the pace and averages scores of ACC games versus the BE. I'm too lazy to look it up right now to see if there's really that much of a difference, but I would think that the ACC style of play will give a slight bump to the ppg numbers that we would have seen if the BE was still intact. Higher tempo games with less of that grind-it-out crap that I'm hoping Pitt doesn't infect the ACC with should translate to more shot attempts and higher ppg values for our guys. It may not be significant, but it's something to think about.

I think this will be accurate to an extent. I also would say the strategy of holding the ball against us for 25sec purely to slow the game down will be much less prevalent than we saw in the BE. Players and coaches will simply not be as patient as the ones we face who had so much experience against our defensove system. We know for a fact that Roy Williams only strategy will be trying to beat us down the court, its what he always does against JB . . . . . gee its worked so well in the past.

 

[jordoo]

4 guys scoring double digits with two more scoring 9 or more and a 7th averaging above 8ppg is great numbers. And Flynn or Devendorf could have came back on top of it.

Even without a championship that is probably one of the top 10 best offensively balenced teams since 2000.

That team was just so much fun to watch. Teh ball moved guys basically stuck to doing what they were good at and everyone was willing to pass up a decent shot if someone else had a better one. It was a very aesthetically pleasing brand of bball to watch. We ran a lot, played well structured attacking offense and had an agressive attacking style of zone defense.

 

[jordoo]

As far as points this year I'd say something like this.

CJ 17
JG, TC, TE all in the 9-12 range

I also think that everyone else who plays will be effective enough to take advantage if the defense doesn't play them and that will be why we are better offensively this year. The 4th and 5th options on the court will have the ability to do enough damage.

 

[SoBristol]

The 09-10 team was on its way to the Final Four (at least) before AO's injury. Was stunningly good on offense -- from its coming-out display in destroying NC at MSG until AO's injury at the BET.

This year's team won't get similar scoring from the post and does not have two outside shooters as good as Andy & Wes. It likely won't get as many points off turn-over and fast breaks. It might get bench scoring from Gbinije & Roberson, but we tend to have our scoring power bunched at the forward spot (viewing Gbinije as a swing, more than a pure guard).

 

[RF2044]

The 09-10 team was on its way to the Final Four (at least) before AO's injury. Was stunningly good on offense -- from its coming-out display in destroying NC at MSG until AO's injury at the BET.

This year's team won't get similar scoring from the post and does not have two outside shooters as good as Andy & Wes. It likely won't get as many points off turn-over and fast breaks. It might get bench scoring from Gbinije & Roberson, but we tend to have our scoring power bunched at the forward spot (viewing Gbinije as a swing, more than a pure guard).

It will be interesting to see whether Grant starts or comes off the bench and plays starter's minutes. I expect the latter, which would continue the luxury JB has enjoyed in recent years of bringing a potent scorer off of the bench. Grant is one of the top three players on the team--maybe even better than that.

 

[SoBristol]

It will be interesting to see whether Grant starts or comes off the bench and plays starter's minutes. I expect the latter, which would continue the luxury JB has enjoyed in recent years of bringing a potent scorer off of the bench. Grant is one of the top three players on the team--maybe even better than that.

I agree -- Boeheim will continue to start Rak and Coleman.

The 09-10 team was surprisingly good, right from its first big games. This team will get better over the course of the season. How good it can be depends on Grant's development.

 

[realorange]

I agree -- Boeheim will continue to start Rak and Coleman.

The 09-10 team was surprisingly good, right from its first big games. This team will get better over the course of the season. How good it can be depends on Grant's development.

I'm not worried about Grant's development near as much as the first two you mentioned.

 

[SoBristol]

I'm not worried about Grant's development near as much as the first two you mentioned.

Not a matter of worry about Grant.
I expect Grant (and Gbinije & Roberson) to get significantly better over the course of the season. Grant can be a post-season star.
The point was that the 09-10 team was terrific right out of the gate. I expect this team will have some growing pains against the Maui competition and the big December games, and get better.