Losing our starting QB mid-season. Are we literally cursed?

[sufandu]

FSU says hello

He missed part of one game. That's almost every football player on every team. He was in long enough to attempt 15 passes and 9 runs and we won 30-7.

 

[mustacheovich]

He missed part of one game. That's almost every football player on every team. He was in long enough to attempt 15 passes and 9 runs and we won 30-7.

He got carried off the field very early in the Notre Dame game

 

[HRE Otto IV]

He missed part of one game. That's almost every football player on every team. He was in long enough to attempt 15 passes and 9 runs and we won 30-7.

Did we need QB2 to play non garbage time in 2018? Yes or No?

FSU was 3-0 when he left the game. He also left during the ND game.

Back to the main point we needed QB2 to play every year between 2013-2025 except 2024.

 

[upperdeck]

Injuries kill lots of teams. TT lost it's one game this year with the best QB hurt.

Sure, some teams overcome it. Many don't, and the ones that do often have more skill around the position.

Lately we can't keep an AVG oline on the field healthy and also lose the QB and have lost the #1 WR as well.

Still the QB issues here are hard to believe.

 

[Archbold44]

Injuries kill lots of teams. TT lost it's one game this year with the best QB hurt.

Sure, some teams overcome it. Many don't, and the ones that do often have more skill around the position.

Lately we can't keep an AVG oline on the field healthy and also lose the QB and have lost the #1 WR as well.

Still the QB issues here are hard to believe.

There is a bigger issue. We are not producing 1-3 Round NFL talent anymore.

1986: Tim Green (1st)
1987: Schwedes
1988: Gregory & Kane
1989: Johnston and Drummond
1990: Wooden
1991: Flannery
1993: Ismail and Gedney
1994: Mitchell
1995: Tuten
1996: Harrison (1st)
1997: Abrams
1998: Jones & Darius (both 1st)
1999: McNabb (1st), Johnson, and Konrad
2000: Bulluck
2001: Allen (1st)
2002: Freeney (1st)
2005: Terry
2006: Smith
2012: CJones (1st)
2013: Pugh (1st)
2014: Bromley
2021: Cisco, Iffy
2023: Bergeron, Williams

From 1996 to 2002, we had 6 first round picks. In the 2 years we did not, we had a 2nd/3rd round pick. And that was good enough to only get 8-10 win seasons. From 2003 draft to 2011 draft, only 2 2/d round picks. Not surprisingly those were the end P, G-Rob, and early Marron years.

The 2025 draft had 4 guys taken, plus some key UDFA. 2 of those guys were 1-year mercenaries. Not surprisingly, we were 10-3 in 2024. Edit: 1986-2002 = 17 drafts, 22 top 3 round draftees. 2003-2024 = 22 drafts, 9 top 3 round draftees. Go figure.

I get that the game is changed and you cannot get 3 or 4 year guys to stick around. But it is pretty notable that the more very good NFL talent you have in your program, the better you are going to be. If we cannot pay them to come via the portal, we need to develop them and pay enough to keep them. If we cannot recruit them, then we need to get them via the portal. But that requires paying them anyway. I thought Fran's plan was to recruit key guys and pay to keep them. At least then you know what you have. But now it looks like we are going to let our better players leave and try to replaced them with cheaper players via the portal... where 50 other schools can pay as least as much as we can.

If we are not going to compete financially in this era, then there is no real reason to think we will ever do any better than a 10-win season every 7-8 years when we have a better than usual team, better than usual health, and a much less challenging schedule. If we are not better than usual, have injuries OR have a tough schedule, bowl is the max. And if we have all three... it's an embarassing season. And I think that bears out with our recent history.

 

[sufandu]

Did we need QB2 to play non garbage time in 2018? Yes or No?

FSU was 3-0 when he left the game. He also left during the ND game.

Back to the main point we needed QB2 to play every year between 2013-2025 except 2024.

Yes, we did. I concede that. And I honestly forgot about Notre Dame, maybe because it wouldn't have mattered had he played that game.

But isn't the theme of this thread about us losing seasons because of QB injury that cost us the rest of the year? That didn't happen in 2018. Are you willing to concede that?

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Yes, we did. I concede that. And I honestly forgot about Notre Dame, maybe because it wouldn't have mattered had he played that game.

But isn't the theme of this thread about us losing seasons because of QB injury that cost us the rest of the year? That didn't happen in 2018. Are you willing to concede that?

The title of the thread is about seasons derailed. The main point that was made was that we had no solution for QB2 in those seasons. I added that even in the non derailed season that we needed QB2 every season but 2024. So we needed a viable solution every year.