2019-20 Iggy Co-Winner Reg Season Rcd
- Aug 26, 2011
Good Job getting them posted!
The NC teams named retroactively were apparently actually chosen by Bill Schroeder, who co-founded the Helms Foundation with Paul Helms, a billionaire executive who made his fortune in the baking industry. He did this after consulting with coaches and sportswriters (they called it an expert panel). The retoractive choices were made in 1936. The Helms Foundation continued to independently name NCs until the 1980s.I just don't like the idea of claiming two championships appointed by a baker who was an SU alum. It seems kinda corny.
That's just me though.
The NC teams named retroactively were apparently actually chosen by Bill Schroeder, who co-founded the Helms Foundation with Paul Helms, a billionaire executive who made his fortune in the baking industry. He did this after consulting with coaches and sportswriters (they called it an expert panel). The retoractive choices were made in 1936. The Helms Foundation continued to independently name NCs until the 1980s.
It is common for schools that were named Helms National Champions to publicize this. Syracuse has two large banners honoring its two Helms NC teams. After googling for 15 minutes, I found many schools that embrace the Helms Chamionships they hold...
Your 1920 national champion Penn Quakers
Here is a good article that talks about the Helms Foundation, how it came about and how teams were named. In modern times, statistical modeling systems have been developed to rate teams in a consistent manner, based on things like strength of schedule, quality wins, etc. The article shows where models developed by Premo and Porretta independently confirm that Syracuse was the best team in the country in the years it was named NC by the Helms Foundation.
Helms Foundation NCs aren't the same as NCAA championships and are labeled differently. This is understood by anyone with a basic knowledge of college basketball. The fact is that Syracuse dominated college basketball in those years and has been independently confirmed as being the best team in the country in those years by multiple independent sources.
You are free to consider someone else the national champion in those years if you like.
From the article:
"If schools want to recognize their teams by mentioning the Helms titles and hanging banners, that's their right and prerogative. In fact I believe they certainly should recognize and celebrate the accomplishments of past teams, since most fans of schools would never know about them unless they're mentioned somewhere. But in doing so, schools should be accurate by at least noting that the award is from the Helms Foundation, and preferably provide additional background information about who and how the choices were made, including recognizing the fact that many of the choices were made years or even decades after the fact.
To suggest or infer that these titles are synonymous with National Championships, as they are known today, is disingenuous at best. This is especially true when dubious assumptions and unsupported claims are used to support this theory or to make Schroeder's picks more important or authoritative than they actually were at the time."
I respect that SU/you guys designate them as different. I think UNC pretends they're the same because they're competing with Duke, and KU does it because that way people don't realize that, for all their history, they don't really have THAT many titles.