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Message: [QUOTE="IthacaMatt, post: 2208142, member: 405"] Well, that's fair. Most were not locks for the first round. My point was how many great players slide - I mean, Douglas was the all-time NCAA assist leader and played on high profile teams his whole career. Moten was the all-time leading scorer in Big East history, and was the equal of Kerry Kittles, in my book. Jerami Grant was a freakish talent. Guys like C.J. Fair and James Southerland were like Kris Joseph and Demetis Nichols (an elite shooter, by any measure). How did none of those guys get a sniff? That's what I'm talking about. We, like most fan bases, over estimate our players. [/QUOTE]