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MacPherson Listed on 2012 Rimington Trophy Fall Watch List

He very well may have been our last. We have had a few guys end up in the top five for various awards since then, but I can't think of any winners.

If I recall correctly he was the last ... Davy O'Brien award winnner ... I cannot think of anyone else since. Ironically the John Mackey award is an award no SU player has won and it was named after the best TE to ever don an SU uniform.
 
You are completely missing the point, my friend. Being a finalist and being named to the pre-season watch lot are two COMPLETELY different things. The watch list is based on pre-season expectations, realistic or otherwise. Being named a finalist is based on on the field play. I hope all the players listed as "candidates" for these awards win or are finalists. However, before the season starts EVERYONE is a candidate.

Agreed. And to add to the point, being a finalist in many ways has more to do with the fact that a player is a returning starter or two-year starter. Call me out on it all you want, but there is no way that by the end of the season, MM is even in the top 80% of centers in the big six conferences (yes I'm including the Big East for now).

Although MM's technique was good last year he still struggled mightily with bull rushers and DT's that took him on head on. The Syracuse offensive line too often had to account for these struggles by sliding a guard from one side or the other which opened up other potential weaknesses. This also led to the pocket being collapsed from the inside on medium to long (time wise) passing plays and was a huge factor in the deterioration of the SU passing game. Another byproduct is that it allowed opposing defensive ends to have a different attack point (realizing the QB could not step up into the pocket) and opened up wider speed rush lanes to the outside, thus creating huge gaps inside and outside while attacking our tackles.

I would much rather have a Nick Romeo type that lacked maybe the overall quickness to pull or get to the 2nd level consistently, but was strong enough to match (and in many instances beat) future NFL DTs one on one through brute strength.

Here's hoping another year in the strength and conditioning program has MM better able to hold his own against power rushes.

Peace
 
51 players named, not a big deal.

If we have one of the 51 best centers in the country, and he's a true junior, and he's our "biggest problem on the O-Line", we're going to have one of the best lines in the country.

;)
 
Wasn't Romeo a power lifting champion in Florida as a high school kid?If only he was a little taller
 
Wasn't Romeo a power lifting champion in Florida as a high school kid?If only he was a little taller

I am not sure about that, but I do remember having several classes with Nick and I was taller than him and I am only 5-11 on a good day! He was as strong as an ox though and sometimes on the interior line being shorter can lead to better leverage.
 
You are completely missing the point, my friend. Being a finalist and being named to the pre-season watch lot are two COMPLETELY different things. The watch list is based on pre-season expectations, realistic or otherwise. Being named a finalist is based on on the field play. I hope all the players listed as "candidates" for these awards win or are finalists. However, before the season starts EVERYONE is a candidate.
Without spot-checking any players/teams that are on or not on the list, I'd venture that this initial watch list includes all known returning starting centers. With the OL typically dominated by upperclassmen, slightly more than half graduating last year is feasible. That might be all that it is, I didn't see anything at the site about how they select it - could be actual research or just a check of returning starters, or maybe teams send in names.

And I bet the 225 lb kid is actually a long snapper (or a typo).
 
Without spot-checking any players/teams that are on or not on the list, I'd venture that this initial watch list includes all known returning starting centers. With the OL typically dominated by upperclassmen, slightly more than half graduating last year is feasible. That might be all that it is, I didn't see anything at the site about how they select it - could be actual research or just a check of returning starters, or maybe teams send in names.

And I bet the 225 lb kid is actually a long snapper (or a typo).

You've piqued my curiosity now. I wonder how many teams are returning their starting center from last season...
 
You are completely missing the point, my friend. Being a finalist and being named to the pre-season watch lot are two COMPLETELY different things. The watch list is based on pre-season expectations, realistic or otherwise. Being named a finalist is based on on the field play. I hope all the players listed as "candidates" for these awards win or are finalists. However, before the season starts EVERYONE is a candidate.
Yeah...but this is what you actually said my friend, " We haven't had a player win one in quite a while. It's like being preseason number one, it looks nice, but of you aren't number one at the end of the season it means absolutely NOTHING!"

So since Freeney didn't win, he was NOTHING I guess.
 
Yeah...but this is what you actually said my friend, " We haven't had a player win one in quite a while. It's like being preseason number one, it looks nice, but of you aren't number one at the end of the season it means absolutely NOTHING!"

So since Freeney didn't win, he was NOTHING I guess.

In his senior season I'd estimate there were 40+ blatant instances of holding that were not called. Blatant.
 
He's incredibly limited. Not what you want for a program on the rise. , i am not even sure he was all CNY out of HS. He was brought in to long snap, and because he picked things up faster than others, he got moved to the head of the line. After watching Marrone's first three years, if there is one absolutely certainty, it is that he prefers the known quantity (limited as it may be), over the wild card. Macky fits the bill. The sooner he is beat out, the better it is for the program.
 
I'm convinced now that not only do some people not actually watch the games during the season, they don't watch the replay of the game during the week, and they don't watch the games at all like now in the summer when they have nothing to do.
 
Agreed. And to add to the point, being a finalist in many ways has more to do with the fact that a player is a returning starter or two-year starter. Call me out on it all you want, but there is no way that by the end of the season, MM is even in the top 80% of centers in the big six conferences (yes I'm including the Big East for now).

Although MM's technique was good last year he still struggled mightily with bull rushers and DT's that took him on head on. The Syracuse offensive line too often had to account for these struggles by sliding a guard from one side or the other which opened up other potential weaknesses. This also led to the pocket being collapsed from the inside on medium to long (time wise) passing plays and was a huge factor in the deterioration of the SU passing game. Another byproduct is that it allowed opposing defensive ends to have a different attack point (realizing the QB could not step up into the pocket) and opened up wider speed rush lanes to the outside, thus creating huge gaps inside and outside while attacking our tackles.

I would much rather have a Nick Romeo type that lacked maybe the overall quickness to pull or get to the 2nd level consistently, but was strong enough to match (and in many instances beat) future NFL DTs one on one through brute strength.

Here's hoping another year in the strength and conditioning program has MM better able to hold his own against power rushes.

Peace

Good post. I think people not acknowledging just how weak Macky was last year is nonsense. he is a ivy league type player. He doesn't have the frame for this level.
 
Yeah...but this is what you actually said my friend, " We haven't had a player win one in quite a while. It's like being preseason number one, it looks nice, but of you aren't number one at the end of the season it means absolutely NOTHING!"

So since Freeney didn't win, he was NOTHING I guess.

Nope you are still missing the point. Being on the watch list at the beginning of the season means nothing. Not an indictment on a players ability but other than the fans and player's family does anyone remember finalists for these awards? I would be hard pressed to name a single award winner (other than Heisman) from last season not to mention finalists. So I continue to say that these awards mean nothing, not that the players in consideration are nothing.
 
Nope you are still missing the point. Being on the watch list at the beginning of the season means nothing.

Fine, but you didn't say that. You said, "if you aren't number one at the end of the season it means absolutely NOTHING!" I guess you have retracted your original statement and replaced it with a new one.
 
Fine, but you didn't say that. You said, "if you aren't number one at the end of the season it means absolutely NOTHING!" I guess you have retracted your original statement and replaced it with a new one.

That was an analogy comparing an individual award to a pre-season rankings. Being number at the beginning of the season does mean nothing of you aren't number one at the end of the season. Just as being a candidate for an award pre-season means nothing if you aren't there at the end of the season. I stand by my statement being on a list of potential award winners before playing a down means nothing. There are plenty of good teams and good players who do not end up "number one" they are not nothing, being on a list or top ranked before the season is what means nothing.

You don't have to defend Macky to me, I accept that he is our best option at center right now. It doesn't matter if people think he is too small or too weak, right now he is our best center. Do I think we could improve the position? Absolutely, but there are quite a few positions we need to improve in order to be competitive with the best.
 
I stand by my statement being on a list of potential award winners before playing a down means nothing.

Well, it means someone thinks your ok. I am not saying he's the best...but certainly not as bad as some here have claimed. Good to see him get some recognition...even better if he lives up to it. And I don't consider him a failure if he is not #1 at the end of the year.
 

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