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Message: [QUOTE="Orangezoo, post: 4550489, member: 237"] Well naturally of course. That said the close losses and being competitive for stretches for us really doesn't do much for us in terms of landing on us being good. The real kicker is just look at ken pom. We are 64th in adjO which is nothing special. That's bubbly. Then we are 126 in adjD. That is better than the 207 from last year but last year we were also 15 in adjO. In any case the inability to defend, a very clear and visible result of the constant open looks from the zone and you can see we just aren't a good team/program. We are a bottom half P6 team that is on the NIT bubble. We need to be under 70 in adj D and under 100 in adjO minimum and that's still bubble territory. [/QUOTE]