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Message: [QUOTE="orangenirvana, post: 1243386, member: 156"] Yeah, while Manuel did a much better job of avoiding sacks, Orton was a better passer overall. Orton is (was) simply an average starting NFL quarterback. The offense didn't suck because of Orton. The offense sucked because Marrone thought he had an offensive line capable of carrying out his pre-historic scheme and when he found out that the OLine was terrible he had no idea how to fix it or make adjustments. [/QUOTE]