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Message: [QUOTE="xc84, post: 1246489, member: 1526"] I have not said Orton was "the worst" and I don't know who has. I don't think he is great or even very good. He's "fair"...which (1) means he is nowhere near Andrew Luck (orangenirvanna was inferring he was but at least you understand his qb rating <> to his real "great" value) and (2) teams with "fair" QBs don't go very far. Orton did a decent job especially given the situation. However, to get the next level and actually win a playoff game or 2, they need a much better QB. I'd say my assessment is the general consensus of him. So who should the Bills grab as a QB (someone they actually have a chance at getting)? [/QUOTE]