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Message: [QUOTE="orangenirvana, post: 1246578, member: 156"] That's what I was inferring? Really? Ugh, follow along slowly... You: "Having one with a rating of 88 ain't going to get you 12-13 wins. The Colts are a great example of why a good QB is critical." Me: I would have settled for 10 or 11 wins. BTW, what was Luck's passer rating last season? I thought it was funny that you're using Luck as an example for why QB play is important while at the same time using passer rating as a measurement. But then after realizing Luck's passer rating last season was lower than 88, it's "whoops! never mind - passer rating doesn't mean anything, look at this guy inferring Orton is as good as Luck haha!". You're right in that having a QB with a rating of 88 is not likely going to get you 12-13 wins. That's even tough to pull off with a Top 2 defense like the Bills had. But it should get you better than the 27th best offense. [/QUOTE]