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Message: [QUOTE="Consigliere, post: 2020700, member: 559"] Pretty harsh, guys. He states there were circumstances outside their control, that there is optimism based on development in the area and that he is committed to success of the business. I respect the effort to make a small business successful and was a huge Graves fan back in the day. Met him at the PSU game at MetLife a couple of years ago and enjoyed meeting him and his family. If throwing him a few $$ might help I'm in. Call me naive and very likely a shortfall in business acumen may have played a part here but he's one of ours and is asking for help. [/QUOTE]