Kyle McCord to NFL Draft

[richmondcuse03]

Huge having him back next year.

100 percent. He’s such a reliable target and he loves Fran. Love the captain announcement. This is great that it’s confirmed.

 

[AZOrange]

I can’t decide who was the more pleasant surprise this year. Pena or Meeks? I guess I’ll say Pena but both were studs.

God I loved Meeks

 

[rrlbees]

The hope I had given up is creeping back in.

Well as nice as 50/50 sounds, it’s still 50% he gets denied. I’m not getting my hopes up until it’s final and the news is good.

 

[GoSU96]

Omg!!! Someone tell me what this means?!?

That’s actually significant, issue is unless the injunction stays in place thru the end of next season you can always lose on the merits if the wheels of justice grind quickly

 

[GoSU96]

If you tell me you played for Pool I will smash you

Liverpool? It was like living in Fast Times and Dazed and Confused

 

[GoSU96]

The hope I had given up is creeping back in.

It’s the hope that kills you

 

[Dcuse]

Pena coming back next year. Maybe he knows something?

If he does,he ain’t talkin. I asked him tonight.

 

[Red2003]

If you were the NCAA and there’s a lawsuit with Ohio State and Ryan Day’s name on it you’re already not happy. Then you realize that dumbass may have to speak on the record about this stuff and it will be open to the public. That’s a nightmare for the them.

Plus Kyle knows everything that went on in that Ohio State program for 3 years and not like he has any sympathy for them. I also don’t get the impression that Fran Brown is some Boy Scout when it comes to this stuff. He knows how much dirty business goes on with Big10 and SEC.

There’s a lot of cards to play for Kyle and really no risk for him. There’s also really no harm to the NCAA either. If Kyle comes back he’ll be one of the best QBs in the league. Big name QBs flinging the ball for 500 yards and 5 TDS a game is good for advertising and ratings.

 

[OrangeTarheel]

If you were the NCAA and there’s a lawsuit with Ohio State and Ryan Day’s name on it you’re already not happy. Then you realize that dumbass may have to speak on the record about this stuff and it will be open to the public. That’s a nightmare for the them.

Plus Kyle knows everything that went on in that Ohio State program for 3 years and not like he has any sympathy for them. I also don’t get the impression that Fran Brown is some Boy Scout when it comes to this stuff. He knows how much dirty business goes on with Big10 and SEC.

There’s a lot of cards to play for Kyle and really no risk for him. There’s also really no harm to the NCAA either. If Kyle comes back he’ll be one of the best QBs in the league. Big name QBs flinging the ball for 500 yards and 5 TDS a game is good for advertising and ratings.

Stop it this is just the sort of talk that gets my hopes way too high

 

[CusefanATL]

If he does,he ain’t talkin. I asked him tonight.

What was his response?

There is a huge difference between no he’s not coming back and I’m not sure if he is coming back.

 

[CA Monk]

With all the excitement associated with the possibility that “McCord might be returning,” I have now been aroused for more than 4 hours and am seeking medical help.

 

[kingtidge]

If he does,he ain’t talkin. I asked him tonight.

Wait, didn't Fran already say Pena is coming back??

 

[Dcuse]

What was his response?

There is a huge difference between no he’s not coming back and I’m not sure if he is coming back.

" You'll have to ask him."

 

[Dcuse]

Wait, didn't Fran already say Pena is coming back??

Talking about Kyle.

 

[OburgOrange]

 

[tep624]

If you were the NCAA and there’s a lawsuit with Ohio State and Ryan Day’s name on it you’re already not happy. Then you realize that dumbass may have to speak on the record about this stuff and it will be open to the public. That’s a nightmare for the them.

Plus Kyle knows everything that went on in that Ohio State program for 3 years and not like he has any sympathy for them. I also don’t get the impression that Fran Brown is some Boy Scout when it comes to this stuff. He knows how much dirty business goes on with Big10 and SEC.

There’s a lot of cards to play for Kyle and really no risk for him. There’s also really no harm to the NCAA either. If Kyle comes back he’ll be one of the best QBs in the league. Big name QBs flinging the ball for 500 yards and 5 TDS a game is good for advertising and ratings.

This and what the Pavia situation shows is that you can throw past precedent and past strategy by the NCAA out the window.

I’ve said it all along and will keep saying it - this will come down to the NCAA’s feeling as to the likelihood of a lawsuit if they don’t grant the waiver. And they are burnt out on lawsuits.

When projected financial loss is involved, it changes things.

 

[javadoc]

This and what the Pavia situation shows is that you can throw past precedent and past strategy by the NCAA out the window.

I’ve said it all along and will keep saying it - this will come down to the NCAA’s feeling as to the likelihood of a lawsuit if they don’t grant the waiver. And they are burnt out on lawsuits.

When projected financial loss is involved, it changes things.

Yes! The entire line of argument "this is the rule, clear as day, prior cases adjudicated this way" are at best suspect because the rules themselves are being invalidated. The NCAA is being told, you should never have been doing that in the first place.

 

[vegasnick]

This and what the Pavia situation shows is that you can throw past precedent and past strategy by the NCAA out the window.

I’ve said it all along and will keep saying it - this will come down to the NCAA’s feeling as to the likelihood of a lawsuit if they don’t grant the waiver. And they are burnt out on lawsuits.

When projected financial loss is involved, it changes things.

This is 100% correct. Also, with the 5 in 5 projected to go into effect next year that also adds another level to Kyle's situation.

Do I think he would have won the appeal if it was two or three seasons ago, Absolutely not. However since there are ground for lawsuit now, which the NCAA wants to avoid at all costs, it's a completely different story.

 

[javadoc]

This is 100% correct. Also, with the 5 in 5 projected to go into effect next year that also adds another level to Kyle's situation.

Do I think he would have won the appeal if it was two or three seasons ago, Absolutely not. However since there are ground for lawsuit now, which the NCAA wants to avoid at all costs, it's a completely different story.

What's the color of the smoke up on the hill? White smoke issuing from the law school?

 

[Qbobby]

 

[tep624]

This is 100% correct. Also, with the 5 in 5 projected to go into effect next year that also adds another level to Kyle's situation.

Do I think he would have won the appeal if it was two or three seasons ago, Absolutely not. However since there are ground for lawsuit now, which the NCAA wants to avoid at all costs, it's a completely different story.

We would have had about a 0% chance of this appeal 2-3 years ago irrespective of the circumstances. The worm has turned. Now it may still not get approved but I think we’ll see 5 for 5 shortly.

 

[OttosShoes]

Yes! The entire line of argument "this is the rule, clear as day, prior cases adjudicated this way" are at best suspect because the rules themselves are being invalidated. The NCAA is being told, you should never have been doing that in the first place.

This. They basically got homework assigned unanimously from the Supreme Court to sort things out. Kyle is one of many problems on the assignment.

And yet, recent reports have sighted the NCAA's dog leaving a trail of chewed up homework paper.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

Yes! The entire line of argument "this is the rule, clear as day, prior cases adjudicated this way" are at best suspect because the rules themselves are being invalidated. The NCAA is being told, you should never have been doing that in the first place.

I am sure the Paivia injunction is cause for concern. It certainly got my attention. That's a distinguishable case though. The NIL aspect was highlighted because it's sensational, but my understanding is that the gravamen of argument is that it's nonsensical to treat a year or two of JUCO the same for eligibility purposes as a year of NCAA/Division 1 football. The school he went to, New Mexico Military Institute, is almost akin to a prep school and actually played prep schools as part of its schedule. Paivia is noting the inconsistency of saying that a kid going to a place like Milford doesnt lose eligibility, but going to New Mexico Military Institute is a problem.

Kyle's case is different because you can't make that claim about his time at OSU. Any argument that he should get to play more because of NIL, or because Day is a turd, is completely novel, and would absolutely be the NCAA just capitulating that its rules are dumb and shouldnt be enforced. It's a super slippery slope and also begs the question if it comes down to some coaching burning a redshirt "illegally," why that coach or the school would not be liable for the damages.

I think the best case for him is simply that we are on the eve of 5 to play 5 being approved, and that he should not be penalized by the timing of that amendment being a month or so away.

I continue to think that this is a big nothing burger, but let's be honest, the law matters little these days and everyone is just doing what's in their own best interests.

 

[ImperialOrange]

I am sure the Paivia injunction is cause for concern. It certainly got my attention. That's a distinguishable case though. The NIL aspect was highlighted because it's sensational, but my understanding is that the gravamen of argument is that it's nonsensical to treat a year or two of JUCO the same for eligibility purposes as a year of NCAA/Division 1 football. The school he went to, New Mexico Military Institute, is almost akin to a prep school and actually played prep schools as part of its schedule. Paivia is noting the inconsistency of saying that a kid going to a place like Milford doesnt lose eligibility, but going to New Mexico Military Institute is a problem.

Kyle's case is different because you can't make that claim about his time at OSU. Any argument that he should get to play more because of NIL, or because Day is a turd, is completely novel, and would absolutely be the NCAA just capitulating that its rules are dumb and shouldnt be enforced. It's a super slippery slope and also begs the question if it comes down to some coaching burning a redshirt "illegally," why that coach or the school would not be liable for the damages.

I think the best case for him is simply that we are on the eve of 5 to play 5 being approved, and that he should not be penalized by the timing of that amendment being a month or so away.

I continue to think that this is a big nothing burger, but let's be honest, the law matters little these days and everyone is just doing what's in their own best interests.

I'm probably over simplifying but... current rule is more than 4 games played counts as a year or appearance in more than 4 games? The former could just argue 16 quarters or less is 4 games or less, the latter would have to differentiate how dressing but not playing doesn't count as appearing... or am I way lost in the weeds here?

 

[texascpa]

I'm probably over simplifying but... current rule is more than 4 games played counts as a year or appearance in more than 4 games? The former could just argue 16 quarters or less is 4 games or less, the latter would have to differentiate how dressing but not playing doesn't count as appearing... or am I way lost in the weeds here?

I think you are approaching this like a lawyer would, parsing the language for an advantage.