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Message: [QUOTE="sufandu, post: 810938, member: 874"] They're not athletes. If your own body isn't what is moving you, you're not doing something athletic. The activity must require some form of running and/or jumping to be athletic. People saying, "Let's see a basketball player do what they do," is not an argument. Let's see a Nascar driver, or a football player for that matter, go on Axe Men and cut down trees and haul logs all day. Would that make loggers athletes? Let's see them lay bricks all day everyday. Does that make brick layers athletes? Of course not, despite both activities being physically demanding. I'm sure there are some athletic Nascar drivers, just as there are athletic accountants, but that doesn't make the activity of Nascar one requiring athleticism. [/QUOTE]