MCW is very talented...

[SoBeCuse]

Where do people think MCW is going? Forget that he can't shoot - his handle is weak and his first step is molasses slow - he can't get by anyone - an NBA defender will rough him up and take the ball at will - oh yeah, he has upside cuz he's 6-6 - blah, blah, blah - how tall is Tony Parker or Chris Paul or Westbrook or Irving? Is there even a good tall pg ever besides Magic? I guarantee at the end of the season no analysts have him as a lottery - there is nothing about his game that translates to the NBA

I'm in this camp as well. Westbrook is 6-5 I believe but he is lightning quick. A freak. I don't care what some people say how the NBA is much more open and he will thrive. I don't see it. Prove you can compete against good Big East teams first.

 

[Flacusian]

Being an effective floor general isn't just about talent alone. It's about having good judgement and instincts. What happens off the court is related to what happens on the court. Granted he is young but boastful talk which can't be backed up isn't the hallmark of leadership. Nor is having a "misunderstanding" which raises questions about character. Staying another year certainly wouldn't hurt MCW. Obviously the money is on him leaving for the NBA. If he were to come back I wouldn't be surprised to see a much better player, leader, and team mate. It would suit him well to be doing more of the things that he excels at which help the team and less of the things which are outside the current scope of his abilities.

 

[HakAttack]

MCW is gone. He will be 22 by the time training camp starts. That alone is enough reason for him not to come back next year.

That, and the fact that this year's PG class is pretty weak. MCW's currently projected as the second PG off the board, #10 overall. http://nbadraft.net/2013mock_draft

Other than Trey Burke and Marcus Smart, do any of these other PGs jump out to you? They sure don't to me.

 

[SoBeCuse]

MCW is gone. He will be 22 by the time training camp starts. That alone is enough reason for him not to come back next year.

That, and the fact that this year's PG class is pretty weak. MCW's currently projected as the second PG off the board, #10 overall. http://nbadraft.net/2013mock_draft

Other than Trey Burke and Marcus Smart, do any of these other PGs jump out to you? They sure don't to me.

For sure he should go being that it is a weak draft along with his whole age thing. He just isn't close to ready.

 

[RICuse44]

I get leaving early because it is a weak class. The problem though is how long does anyone think he stays in the league if he leaves? The only way you are going to get better is by playing. Let's see then, would I rather by playing at Syracuse in front of tens of thousands or in Reno in front of tens of tens? Is there a financial analyst out there who could look at players with this Donte Green syndrome (ie leaving before you are ready)?

 

[Andpuppets]

Would you rather get better playing for free and dealing with classes or get better and also get paid lots money? Seems like any easy answer to me. If you're in the lottery you leave.

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[rosconey]

kid is gone- his legacy will be the same as the kid after carmello who left and did nothing for the program-

but if a nba exec want a point guard with no ability to handle the rock under pressure -more power to him-

kid could use a extra year to learn how to dribble under pressure-but it aint happening-

when he gets in the league and has to play against men who play d- he is screwed

 

[anomander]

The game is more wide open in the NBA with players around him who can actually do something with the basketball, im sure MCW will be fine. Would I take him in the lottery..mehhh, but he's got a ton of talent and 6'6 point guards are ridiculously rare.

Totally agree . He will be a better pro then college player

 

[anomander]

People are unbelievable .

 

[alphaorange]

I'm in this camp as well. Westbrook is 6-5 I believe but he is lightning quick. A freak. I don't care what some people say how the NBA is much more open and he will thrive. I don't see it. Prove you can compete against good Big East teams first.

Westbrook is 6'3 in shoes. He is also one of the most explosive guards the NBA has ever seen. Bad comparison.

 

[cuseincincy]

Westbrook is 6'3 in shoes. He is also one of the most explosive guards the NBA has ever seen. Bad comparison.

I would love for MCW to stay and play with with Ennis and Gbijne. I understand the whole age and potential issue which is the main reason he is gone even if it is later than currently predicted. I don;t think he'll see much time next year in the NBA which is unfortunate that because of circumstances he will get little playing time in 2 out of 3 years. That's not usually best for development.

 

[SoBeCuse]

Westbrook is 6'3 in shoes. He is also one of the most explosive guards the NBA has ever seen. Bad comparison.

Wasn't comparing him to Westbrook at all. Was responding to someone who was. Westbrook is a "freak" as I mentioned. I just thought he was taller.

 

[dollarbill44]

MCW looks exactly like what he is, a talented SOPHOMORE PG. He makes sophomore mistakes. What grinds my gears is when he makes a boneheaded play on the offensive end, he doesn't shake it off and hustle back to play defense-he stands still or complains to the ref while the fastbreak is off in the other direction.

 

[Melancer46]

I'm in this camp as well. Westbrook is 6-5 I believe but he is lightning quick. A freak. I don't care what some people say how the NBA is much more open and he will thrive. I don't see it. Prove you can compete against good Big East teams first.

He's already proven that he can handle some good Big East teams. It's not easy to rack up assists and get in the lane when teams know that nobody on your team can score and they can all sag off their men to stop you.

It's amazing how many people say MCW has proven that he can't handle the Big East at all. My god; the kid has had a couple of bad games. Big deal. Everybody on this team outside of maybe CJ Fair has probably had so many bad games this season alone that you need two hands to count them. Even CJ has had at least 2 or 3 bad games. We hold MCW to a higher standard because he's a lottery pick and the other guys aren't, but being a lottery pick doesn't mean that you're better than everyone else right now.

 

[alphaorange]

I see MCW this way: He is a tall, athletic back court guy who doesn't shoot well enough to play the SG at the next level, and doesn't show great passing ability or judgement when playing very good competition at the PG spot. I just don't get the feeling he has a great feel for the game at this level at this point. Maybe he'll get drafted on potential, maybe he won't. As a GM, I would not pick him in the lottery for sure, and maybe not til late first round. He has vision, but he is not a very creative passer. Nor does he run the team well. I'm not rooting for the kids to go, I am rooting for him to stay and improve. I'm also not trying to bash the kid, but I simply do not see the stuff that is blowing away so many others.

 

[Melancer46]

I see MCW this way: He is a tall, athletic back court guy who doesn't shoot well enough to play the SG at the next level, and doesn't show great passing ability or judgement when playing very good competition at the PG spot. I just don't get the feeling he has a great feel for the game at this level at this point. Maybe he'll get drafted on potential, maybe he won't. As a GM, I would not pick him in the lottery for sure, and maybe not til late first round. He has vision, but he is not a very creative passer. Nor does he run the team well. I'm not rooting for the kids to go, I am rooting for him to stay and improve. I'm also not trying to bash the kid, but I simply do not see the stuff that is blowing away so many others.

I guess we can just agree to disagree. I think he's one of the more creative passers in the country and I've believed that he has a rare feel for the game since the first time I saw him play as a freshman. He's not a very good shooter at this point, but there's worse shooters in the NBA that play both guard positions, and he'll improve on his shooting ability at the next level. I think he's without a doubt shown great passing ability, it just gets overshadowed here every time he leaves his feet and throws it away. And considering he's getting minutes for the first time this year on a team that's extremely limited offensively (no shooters, no big men to finish inside), I think he's done a pretty good job of running the team, especially since the Notre Dame game.

Since the Notre Dame game, he's averaging:
12.2 points per game
6.2 assists per game
2.2 turnovers per game
5 rebounds per game
3 steals per game
and is shooting 47% from the field, 33.3% from 3, and 85% from the FT line.

Those are very good numbers, and in my opinion, they capture how well he's been playing since that game. He's been much more under control, much better with his shot selection (and as a result, is only shooting it about 8 times a game now), and I've even noticed him trying to pick his teammates up when they miss a few shots in a row, trying to pump them up when the team is slumping but finally make a big play, smiling on the court, etc.

Edit: At the end of the day, there's still a very realistic chance that he winds up being a 3rd team All-American at the end of the year and he still has a lot of room for improvement.

 

[PhatOrange]

but he's got a ton of talent and 6'6 point guards are ridiculously rare.

What's his talent exactly? He's a terrible shooter and he can't dribble against tight pressure defense and he has a tough time finishing around the basket.

I thing he's got a ton of potential, but he's a few years away.

 

[SBU72]

Would you rather get better playing for free and dealing with classes or get better and also get paid lots money? Seems like any easy answer to me. If you're in the lottery you leave.

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Because I don't know the answer, how many D-league players have actually advanced to the "bigs" and stayed and played consistently? I ask because making a roster as 11th or 12 man means a lot of sitting, no playing and getting better.

 

[Melancer46]

Because I don't know the answer, how many D-league players have actually advanced to the "bigs" and stayed and played consistently? I ask because making a roster as 11th or 12 man means a lot of sitting, no playing and getting better.

Many former NBA draftees, waived players and undrafted players have played in the NBA D-League. Some of the called-up D-League players that went on to have successful NBA careers include Rafer Alston, Louis Amundson, Chris Andersen, Kelenna Azubuike, Matt Barnes, Devin Brown, Will Bynum, Matt Carroll, Eddie Gill, Stephen Graham, Jason Hart,Chuck Hayes, Anthony Johnson, Dahntay Jones, Jamario Moon, Mikki Moore, Smush Parker, Bobby Simmons, Ime Udoka, Von Wafer, C. J. Watson, and Mike Wilks.[17] Aside from these players, there are several successful NBA players who were assigned to the D-League in their first and second season, such as José Juan Barea, Brandon Bass,Andray Blatche, Avery Bradley, Aaron Brooks, Jordan Farmar, Shannon Brown, Marcin Gortat, Ramon Sessions, Jeremy Lin, Danny Green and Martell Webster.[18]

Bobby Simmons and Aaron Brooks are the only former D-League players to win an NBA end of season award; Simmons won the Most Improved Player Award with the Los Angeles Clippers in 2004–05 and Brooks won the Most Improved Player Award with the Houston Rockets in 2009–10.[20][21]

And as a Bucks fan, I know that Larry Sanders played in the D-League for a little bit. Doron Lamb has been in the D-League a decent amount. Jeremy Lamb, Fab Melo, Reggie Jackson, Tyshawn Taylor, Donald Sloan, Jon Leuer, Andrew Goudelock, and a few others have been bouncing between the NBA and NBADL this year.

Edit: So the guys that were able to stick in the NBA were:
Rafer Alston, Louis Amundson, Chris Anderson (Birdman), Kelenna Azuibuike, Matt Barnes, Devin Brown, Will Bynum, Eddie Gill, Chuck Hayes, Jason Hart, Dahntay Jones, Mikki Moore, Smush Parker, Bobby Simmons, CJ Watson, JJ Barea, Brandon Bass, Andray Blatche, Avery Bradley, Aaron Brooks, Jordan Farmar, Shannon Brown, Marcin Gortat, Ramon Sessions, Jeremy Lin, Danny Green, and Martell Webster.

Amundson, Birdman, Barnes, Bynum, Hayes, Dahntay, and everyone listed after Simmons were all pretty successful.

 

[SBU72]

Many former NBA draftees, waived players and undrafted players have played in the NBA D-League. Some of the called-up D-League players that went on to have successful NBA careers include Rafer Alston, Louis Amundson, Chris Andersen, Kelenna Azubuike, Matt Barnes, Devin Brown, Will Bynum, Matt Carroll, Eddie Gill, Stephen Graham, Jason Hart,Chuck Hayes, Anthony Johnson, Dahntay Jones, Jamario Moon, Mikki Moore, Smush Parker, Bobby Simmons, Ime Udoka, Von Wafer, C. J. Watson, and Mike Wilks.[17] Aside from these players, there are several successful NBA players who were assigned to the D-League in their first and second season, such as José Juan Barea, Brandon Bass,Andray Blatche, Avery Bradley, Aaron Brooks, Jordan Farmar, Shannon Brown, Marcin Gortat, Ramon Sessions, Jeremy Lin, Danny Green and Martell Webster.[18]

Bobby Simmons and Aaron Brooks are the only former D-League players to win an NBA end of season award; Simmons won the Most Improved Player Award with the Los Angeles Clippers in 2004–05 and Brooks won the Most Improved Player Award with the Houston Rockets in 2009–10.[20][21]

And as a Bucks fan, I know that Larry Sanders played in the D-League for a little bit. Doron Lamb has been in the D-League a decent amount. Jeremy Lamb, Fab Melo, Reggie Jackson, Tyshawn Taylor, Donald Sloan, Jon Leuer, Andrew Goudelock, and a few others have been bouncing between the NBA and NBADL this year.

Edit: So the guys that were able to stick in the NBA were:
Rafer Alston, Louis Amundson, Chris Anderson (Birdman), Kelenna Azuibuike, Matt Barnes, Devin Brown, Will Bynum, Eddie Gill, Chuck Hayes, Jason Hart, Dahntay Jones, Mikki Moore, Smush Parker, Bobby Simmons, CJ Watson, JJ Barea, Brandon Bass, Andray Blatche, Avery Bradley, Aaron Brooks, Jordan Farmar, Shannon Brown, Marcin Gortat, Ramon Sessions, Jeremy Lin, Danny Green, and Martell Webster.

Amundson, Birdman, Barnes, Bynum, Hayes, Dahntay, and everyone listed after Simmons were all pretty successful.

THANKS. Great response. I don't know if this is a decent percentage of going from D-league to NBA, but it looks better than I was lead to believe.

 

[Knicks411]

Also, I really don't think MCW is headed to the D-League. How many lottery picks get sent to the D-League? (hopefully i dont look stupid when the answer turns out to be a lot)

 

[br801]

This fanbase has been wishing away the current option for way too many consecutive years.

That's my favorite post of the season so far.

 

[Melancer46]

Also, I really don't think MCW is headed to the D-League. How many lottery picks get sent to the D-League? (hopefully i dont look stupid when the answer turns out to be a lot)

The only two I know for sure that went to the D-League this year are Jeremy Lamb and Kendall Marshall. And in the 15-20 range, Terrence Jones, Royce White, and maybe Evan Fournier.

 

[AlaskaSU]

The bizarre thing about MCW was that he had a rep coming to SU as a pretty good outside shooter. I don't know about anybody else but I fear for the rim's safety when he launches from behind the arc.

Protect the rim, let Cooney shoot.

 

[Hoboken Cuse]

Protect the rim, let Cooney shoot.

If that were the case, the rim, the glass and the nylon would all be safe.