Miami/Pitt

[kirbivore]

Pitt on the brink of doing what they did to WVU 10 years ago, albeit one game sooner for Miami. If Miami loses then beats Clemson they still may get in I suppose. All I know is Miami is making a bad D look very good today

That was one of the biggest choke jobs I've every seen. In the 4th quarter Tranghese's refs were doing everything they could to help the 'neers out and they still lost.

 

[Eric15]

The Committee has also said, very LOUD and CLEAR, that their #1 charge is to select the four best teams in the country. If they stay true to that then the U is in some serious trouble because there is nothing about their resume that would argue they are one of the top four teams in the country.

BPO, if Miami finishes as a 1-loss ACC Champion and Bama loses in the SEC title game, make me the case that Bama will have a better resume this year than Miami. What wins will Bama have that are better than beating Notre Dame and Clemson?

 

[Briancuse]

Thanks Pitt. You are Rutgers to me.

Thats harsh.

 

[kirbivore]

BPO, if Miami finishes as a 1-loss ACC Champion and Bama loses in the SEC title game, make me the case that Bama will have a better resume this year than Miami. What wins will Bama have that are better than beating Notre Dame and Clemson?

blind resume they don't stack up, but the committee would put Bama in over Miami in that scenario due to ratings.

 

[690West]

BPO, if Miami finishes as a 1-loss ACC Champion and Bama loses in the SEC title game, make me the case that Bama will have a better resume this year than Miami. What wins will Bama have that are better than beating Notre Dame and Clemson?

There aren’t any. That’s why it’s 100% Miami over bama as ACC Champ. There is some silliness in here tonight

 

[690West]

blind resume they don't stack up, but the committee would put Bama in over Miami in that scenario due to ratings.

 

[bpo57]

True, so there is basically a 50/50 chance the ACC is left out.

Personally I would bet that Clemson is def in if they win. The U is likely out unless they get some help - which is certainly possible.

 

[bpo57]

BPO, if Miami finishes as a 1-loss ACC Champion and Bama loses in the SEC title game, make me the case that Bama will have a better resume this year than Miami. What wins will Bama have that are better than beating Notre Dame and Clemson?

How about Bama beating Auburn on the Plains? Name me a better road win that anybody in the country would have than that one.

 

[bpo57]

There aren’t any. That’s why it’s 100% Miami over bama as ACC Champ. There is some silliness in here tonight

You like to cite Vegas lines. You know, or you should know, that Bama would be a TD+ favorite over the U on any neutral field and probably even in Mark Rucht's back yard. The Committee can figure that out too. Btw ask Penn State how that conference title worked out for them last year.

 

[bpo57]

blind resume they don't stack up, but the committee would put Bama in over Miami in that scenario due to ratings.

Really? Bama would have road wins over Auburn and Miss State. I assume that compares favorably to the U's nail bite road wins over UNC and FSU and their road loss to Pitt today.

 

[690West]

You like to cite Vegas lines. You know, or you should know, that Bama would be a TD+ favorite over the U on any neutral field and probably even in Mark Rucht's back yard. The Committee can figure that out too. Btw ask Penn State how that conference title worked out for them last year.

I couldn’t agree more on who would win that matchup. It’s my opinion that regardless a 1 loss ACC champ is getting in over the LOSER of another conference

 

[bpo57]

I couldn’t agree more on who would win that matchup. It’s my opinion that regardless a 1 loss ACC champ is getting in over the LOSER of another conference

Then it comes down to what is the priority? Best four teams or best four conference champs? One thing I think all of us could agree upon is that the Committee needs to better clarify what is the overriding priority? I would hope for the sake of college football that it's getting the four best teams in to the CFP. Clearly last year they did not go the conference title route.

If anybody objectively looks at Miami's resume I don't know how they could ever think they were one of the four best teams. So many close wins against average to below average squads. To eliminate Bama cuz they lose to UGA in Atlanta but keep Miami in despite losing to Pitt. That's insanity.

 

[690West]

Then it comes down to what is the priority? Best four teams or best four conference champs? One thing I think all of us could agree upon is that the Committee needs to better clarify what is the overriding priority? I would hope for the sake of college football that it's getting the four best teams in to the CFP. Clearly last year they did not go the conference title route.

If anybody objectively looks at Miami's resume I don't how they could ever think they were one of the four best teams. So many close wins against average to below average squads. To eliminate Bama cuz they lose to UGA in Atlanta but keep Miami in despite losing to Pitt. That's insanity.

I don't think the committee cares about losses. They've proven that. Obviously in a perfect world it would be "four best teams" But I think instead, at least for this year, they're going to go with "4 different conference champs" That's why I still believe OSU has a shot as ludicrous as it sounds

 

[bpo57]

I don't think the committee cares about losses. They've proven that. Obviously in a perfect world it would be "four best teams" But I think instead, at least for this year, they're going to go with "4 different conference champs" That's why I still believe OSU has a shot as ludicrous as it sounds

The idea that losses don't count is, to borrow a phrase, ludicrous. Miami had a dynamite performance against ND at home and also looked good against a decent VaTech team also at home. Other than that it's been a whole lotta meh. There's a reason why they were ranked so low when the first CFP poll came out. Their overall body of work just doesn't cut it. Plus being essentially the only game on this afternoon and to lay a massive egg on national TV - that's gotta hurt the cause.

 

[cuse10]

Agree, one of the worse coaching decisions i have seen in the last 10 years given what was on the line. It was apparently a move make him sit a series and watch and then go back in with 9:00 to go and down 10 on the road! Wow. Bob W and Brock broke ot down and were spot on As usual. Really like that broadcasting team. Apparently Richt told rozier he needs more out of him, a confidence booster.

Richt isnt a big game coach and never will be and if i was a Miami player down by 10 in the 4th going for an undefeated season and your coach just pulled the qb who got you to 11-0 for a soph with 5 pass attempts on the year; it wouldn't be inspiring.

Rosier isn't the reason they could have been 11-0. Their defense has carried them all year. Rosier had put the team in bad position throughout the season. It was bound to blow up in their face.

 

[CanadianSU]

Wasn't ever that impressed with Miami.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

The idea that losses don't count is, to borrow a phrase, ludicrous. Miami had a dynamite performance against ND at home and also looked good against a decent VaTech team also at home. Other than that it's been a whole lotta meh. There's a reason why they were ranked so low when the first CFP poll came out. Their overall body of work just doesn't cut it. Plus being essentially the only game on this afternoon and to lay a massive egg on national TV - that's gotta hurt the cause.

Miami could be left out but the likihood is very small. You have to assume that Bama beats Auburn, UGA beats GA Tech (option teams can be a pia), UGA beats Bama, Wisconsin beats Minny, Wisconsin beats tOSU, OU beats WV, and OU beats TCU.

 

[CuseOnly]

The Committee has also said, very LOUD and CLEAR, that their #1 charge is to select the four best teams in the country. If they stay true to that then the U is in some serious trouble because there is nothing about their resume that would argue they are one of the top four teams in the country.

Weakest resume in the top 4 is Alabama, I would argue that if they lose to Auburn in the Iron Bowl they are out with no chance to get in.

Miami has played #24 Va Tech, #9 ND and will play #3 Clemson. Nothing about there resume shows that they deserve to be there, Really?
And they pummeled #9 ND by 33 points.

Bama has played #16 MS State, #19 LSU and will play #6 Auburn.

 

[CuseOnly]

Really? Bama would have road wins over Auburn and Miss State. I assume that compares favorably to the U's nail bite road wins over UNC and FSU and their road loss to Pitt today.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves, Bama may not beat Auburn. Right now Bama has beaten Ms State and LSU, neither are very good wins compared to others or Miami.

 

[orange79]

IMO, regardless of comparative record, SOS, etc., Alabama will need to get blown out by both Auburn and Georgia to be excluded form the playoff. In a perfect world, record, SOS etc. would matter. But this world ain't perfect. Bama gets in. 'Cos they're Bama. It's not the way it should be, but it's the way it is.

 

[orangecuse]

All this friendly banter is just more proof of how a 4 game playoff is only a smidgen better than the joke (BCS) that preceded it. At minimum, an 8 team playoff is needed yesterday, and tomorrow a 16 team playoff would be better yet. All those other lessor FCS "student athletes" seemingly are able to manage and handle the strain of academia, with even less resources made so readily accessible to the better qualified minds of the FBS "student athlete" type.

 

[kirbivore]

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tOSU got in without being conference champs

 

[Ish88888]

Personally I would bet that Clemson is def in if they win. The U is likely out unless they get some help - which is certainly possible.

Thats what i mean by 50/50.

 

[bpo57]

Miami could be left out but the likihood is very small. You have to assume that Bama beats Auburn, UGA beats GA Tech (option teams can be a pia), UGA beats Bama, Wisconsin beats Minny, Wisconsin beats tOSU, OU beats WV, and OU beats TCU.

So in that scenario you'd have Miami in over Bama?

 

[bpo57]

Weakest resume in the top 4 is Alabama, I would argue that if they lose to Auburn in the Iron Bowl they are out with no chance to get in.

Miami has played #24 Va Tech, #9 ND and will play #3 Clemson. Nothing about there resume shows that they deserve to be there, Really?
And they pummeled #9 ND by 33 points.

Bama has played #16 MS State, #19 LSU and will play #6 Auburn.

First, the scenarios above considered an Alabama win over Auburn and then a loss in the SEC title game against UGA.

The only problem with your logic is that you don't consider where the games are played. Road wins against MSU and Auburn are a helluva lot more impressive than home wins over ND and VaTech. Plus a loss to UGA is whole lot more understandable than a bad loss to a team that isn't even in the top 50. Not to mention life and death victories by the U over other unranked opponents.