Mike Hopkins opportunity?

[AcAndAc]

To answer your three questions:

1) Yes, I'd consider it after proper vetting. If he really wanted it, I'd consider it.
2) He has the ties, the name recognition, the accomplishments. He was the on court coach ("The General", a nickname he earned) for multiple NCAA championship contending teams. He broke the NCAA record for career assists. He knows the X's and O's. He knows how to motivate a team.
3) Carolina Blue. Enjoy the tundra.

Autry was the "general" of a few Syracuse teams also... so what?

 

[orange79]

To answer your three questions:

1) Yes, I'd consider it after proper vetting. If he really wanted it, I'd consider it.
2) He has the ties, the name recognition, the accomplishments. He was the on court coach ("The General", a nickname he earned) for multiple NCAA championship contending teams. He broke the NCAA record for career assists. He knows the X's and O's. He knows how to motivate a team.
3) Carolina Blue. Enjoy the tundra.

I can't tell you how happy I am that you are not the SUAD.

 

[AcAndAc]

Can we just come to grips with the reality that Jim Boeheim's coaching tree is the saddest tree one can imagine?

 

[721Comstock]

Can we just come to grips with the reality that Jim Boeheim's coaching tree is the saddest tree one can imagine?

Well, he does get credit for Rick Pitino, right?

Who seems to have done pretty OK for himself, for the most part.

 

[M2MPrinciples]

With all due respect to Hop,

 

[Nicknack]

Let's show the names of those who voted to have Hop or Red back next year.

 

[AcAndAc]

Well, he does get credit for Rick Pitino, right?

Who seems to have done pretty OK for himself, for the most part.

If one year of working with JB is responsible for Rick Pitino's success... Autry should be able to coach 10 teams at once and have them all in the top 25.

 

[longtimefan]

If one year of working with JB is responsible for Rick Pitino's success... Autry should be able to coach 10 teams at once and have them all in the top 25.

Pitino was at SU for 2 seasons.

 

[AcAndAc]

Pitino was at SU for 2 seasons.

I guess JB's coaching prowess peaked before 1980... because the rest of his tree is pretty meager.

Brendan Malone was 17-39 for Rhode Island and 29-71 in the NBA.

Hopkins went 4-5 on a Syracuse team that went to the Final Four, before being a .500ish coach at Washington.

Orr was 201-201 in his career.

Ralph Willard was here for one year, before embarking on his career.

Tim Welsh was a bit longer and better.

Wayne Morgan had some minor success.

Who are we missing?

 

[albanycuse]

While this is true one interesting thing about Sherm is this:

My daughter was watching Houswives of DC and I was walking by and said "Hey, that's Sherm!.". She says "You know who Sherm is?". Yep, our Sherm was one of the boyfriends or husbands on the show. My daughter said he was one of the nicer guys on it and really liked him.

So AZO...some of the younger generation do know who Sherm is!

Because she correlated him with you from being a Syracuse fan and im sure they said who he was and what he’s done in his past on that show. Otherwise 99 out of 100 younger generation people have no idea who he was. After all that was a lifetime ago and we are now trash.

 

[miamicuse]

Well, he does get credit for Rick Pitino, right?

Who seems to have done pretty OK for himself, for the most part.

Technically Rick is a branch of the JB tree but we all know JB/Rick was not a mentor/apprentice relationship like Jedis and siths. Just like JB served as an assistant under K in the Olympics folks do not consider JB as part of the K tree.

I think the difference is JB did not groom and prepare his assistants to replace him, he just use them for certain tasks, I don't know if that's fair but be that's my observation from 30,000 miles up.

 

[miamicuse]

I guess JB's coaching prowess peaked before 1980... because the rest of his tree is pretty meager.

Brendan Malone was 17-39 for Rhode Island and 29-71 in the NBA.

Hopkins went 4-5 on a Syracuse team that went to the Final Four, before being a .500ish coach at Washington.

Orr was 201-201 in his career.

Ralph Willard was here for one year, before embarking on his career.

Tim Welsh was a bit longer and better.

Wayne Morgan had some minor success.

Who are we missing?

Rob Murphy
Bernie Fine
Gmac
Eric D.

 

[br801]

It wasn't just being out on the west coast that Hop struggled. He's not a good bench coach. Same situation we're in now.

I would be okay with giving Hop a chance, but only if he had Bouie and Coleman on the staff to coach the bigs. And Devo, too. Devo would need to be on the staff to teach these kids how to play with intensity.

 

[AcAndAc]

Rob Murphy
Bernie Fine
Gmac
Eric D.

Not too sure anyone is bragging on Bernie Fine as part of the coaching tree.

 

[Newhouser]

Rob Murphy
Bernie Fine
Gmac
Eric D.

louie orr

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

The next great coach anywhere is out there to be found. It’s up to JW to do it.
I would think JE might get calls similar to the one he got from HCFB if it was known the job was open.

 

[orangecuse]

Well, he does get credit for Rick Pitino, right?

Who seems to have done pretty OK for himself, for the most part.

I'd agree giving JB credit...credit for hiring him that is. Rick was JB's first hire as a head coach, and he, as a greenhorn himself, was just learning the ropes so to speak. Rick's stint at SU was very short in just being 2 seasons. So, again, with JB figuring out himself what type of coaching style, system he'd run, etc. and learning on the job. By the time JB figured anything out, Pitino was long gone by then.

Moreover, over the years, I haven't heard Rick mention in any interviews, articles, etc. of JB having influence on him relative to his coaching style, tactics, etc. Rick has mentioned other individuals whom had the greatest impact on his coaching, etc., but not JB, regardless of their long enduring friendship.

 

[Brooky03]

Can we just come to grips with the reality that Jim Boeheim's coaching tree is the saddest tree one can imagine?

Sad, yeah. Saddest? Not close. There are some legends across multiple sports who produced absolute turds out of their assistants. Assistants being atrocious head coaches after serving under incredible head coaches is practically the norm.

 

[Nicknack]

Sad, yeah. Saddest? Not close. There are some legends across multiple sports who produced absolute turds out of their assistants. Assistants being atrocious head coaches after serving under incredible head coaches is practically the norm.

 

[Cuseball]

Sad, yeah. Saddest? Not close. There are some legends across multiple sports who produced absolute turds out of their assistants. Assistants being atrocious head coaches after serving under incredible head coaches is practically the norm.

Agree. I would argue Boeheim's coaching tree is better than Calhoun or the beloved Jay Wright. have a look if interested. Hoe does get credit for Pitino, as Rick has even said those two years at a big time program vs his Hawaii experience totally shaped his career.

Boeheim
	W	L
Rick Pitino	749	306		two years under Boeheim
Ralph Willard	336	231
Louie Orr	201	201
Tim Welsh	230	165
Wayne Morgan	146	123
Rob Murphy	166	155
Mike Hopkins	122	111
Tim O'Toole	112	120
Adrian Autry	28	24
Gerry McNamara	9	11
Brendan Malone				NCAA Assistant
Scott Hicks	60	136		D1 Record

Calhoun
Mike Jarvis	395	313		one year under Calhoun
Steve Pikiell	329	297
Karl Hobbs	166	129
Tom Moore	162	150
Dave Leitao	212	241
Kevin Ollie	97	45		two season under Calhoun
Glenn Miller	138	151		D1 Record
Karl Fogel	131	103		D1 Record
Patrick Sellers	38	57
Jay Wright
Tom Pecora	223	242
Joe Jones	304	299
Pat Chambers	221	211
Billy Lange	151	206
Baker Dunleavy	86	93
Kyle Neptune	51	49
Keith Urgo	38	28
Ashley Howard	45	71
Fred Hill	47	77
Jason Crafton	43	76
Adam Fisher	16	20
George Halcovage	4	27

 

[Newhouser]

I'd agree giving JB credit...credit for hiring him that is. Rick was JB's first hire as a head coach, and he, as a greenhorn himself, was just learning the ropes so to speak. Rick's stint at SU was very short in just being 2 seasons. So, again, with JB figuring out himself what type of coaching style, system he'd run, etc. and learning on the job. By the time JB figured anything out, Pitino was long gone by then.

Moreover, over the years, I haven't heard Rick mention in any interviews, articles, etc. of JB having influence on him relative to his coaching style, tactics, etc. Rick has mentioned other individuals whom had the greatest impact on his coaching, etc., but not JB, regardless of their long enduring friendship.

I can see why with Pitino - his teams represented everything that JB's didn't. Tough, aggressive and committed to man D.

 

[AcAndAc]

Agree. I would argue Boeheim's coaching tree is better than Calhoun or the beloved Jay Wright. have a look if interested. Hoe does get credit for Pitino, as Rick has even said those two years at a big time program vs his Hawaii experience totally shaped his career.

Boeheim
	W	L
Rick Pitino	749	306		two years under Boeheim
Ralph Willard	336	231
Louie Orr	201	201
Tim Welsh	230	165
Wayne Morgan	146	123
Rob Murphy	166	155
Mike Hopkins	122	111
Tim O'Toole	112	120
Adrian Autry	28	24
Gerry McNamara	9	11
Brendan Malone				NCAA Assistant
Scott Hicks	60	136		D1 Record

Calhoun
Mike Jarvis	395	313		one year under Calhoun
Steve Pikiell	329	297
Karl Hobbs	166	129
Tom Moore	162	150
Dave Leitao	212	241
Kevin Ollie	97	45		two season under Calhoun
Glenn Miller	138	151		D1 Record
Karl Fogel	131	103		D1 Record
Patrick Sellers	38	57
Jay Wright
Tom Pecora	223	242
Joe Jones	304	299
Pat Chambers	221	211
Billy Lange	151	206
Baker Dunleavy	86	93
Kyle Neptune	51	49
Keith Urgo	38	28
Ashley Howard	45	71
Fred Hill	47	77
Jason Crafton	43	76
Adam Fisher	16	20
George Halcovage	4	27

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2654360-ranking-the-best-coaching-trees-in-college-basketball-history

This list gives some context.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Agree. I would argue Boeheim's coaching tree is better than Calhoun or the beloved Jay Wright. have a look if interested. Hoe does get credit for Pitino, as Rick has even said those two years at a big time program vs his Hawaii experience totally shaped his career.

Boeheim
	W	L
Rick Pitino	749	306		two years under Boeheim
Ralph Willard	336	231
Louie Orr	201	201
Tim Welsh	230	165
Wayne Morgan	146	123
Rob Murphy	166	155
Mike Hopkins	122	111
Tim O'Toole	112	120
Adrian Autry	28	24
Gerry McNamara	9	11
Brendan Malone				NCAA Assistant
Scott Hicks	60	136		D1 Record

Calhoun
Mike Jarvis	395	313		one year under Calhoun
Steve Pikiell	329	297
Karl Hobbs	166	129
Tom Moore	162	150
Dave Leitao	212	241
Kevin Ollie	97	45		two season under Calhoun
Glenn Miller	138	151		D1 Record
Karl Fogel	131	103		D1 Record
Patrick Sellers	38	57
Jay Wright
Tom Pecora	223	242
Joe Jones	304	299
Pat Chambers	221	211
Billy Lange	151	206
Baker Dunleavy	86	93
Kyle Neptune	51	49
Keith Urgo	38	28
Ashley Howard	45	71
Fred Hill	47	77
Jason Crafton	43	76
Adam Fisher	16	20
George Halcovage	4	27

I remember people here saying Pikiel is good and would be a great replacement at UConn if Hurley failed. He’s barely over .500.

 

[MSOrange]

I remember people here saying Pikiel is good and would be a great replacement at UConn if Hurley failed. He’s barely over .500z

This year was supposed to be their can't miss year to at least make the tourney... and they are missing. I admit I was one of those who thought Pikiel was a good coach, although didn't tout him for the SU job.