Minnesota

[Chip]

You do realize that on the 4th down play, he didn't have a lead block, there was no FB or TE help to the side he ran to, and Alexander whiffed, right?

I thought he ran into Wales on that play. Or was it the 3rd down play. Weird series, especially since I think it was our first under center snaps of the season.

Either way, no big deal just needed that W. Next week is huge, every week is new, so I'm trying not to worry about any concerns from SB. But if I had 1, it's punching it in if we have 1st and goal inside the 5.

Bottom line is if a 1AA hangs with you at halftime you have to hope you dominate them in the 2nd half. And we did.

 

[Rautins07]

especially off turnovers

ABSOLUTELY!! Well said

 

[upperdeck]

smith does a good job of moving the pile when he gets to the line untouched. but when your first move has to be lateral at the hole you wont have much power

 

[GoSU96]

I thought he ran into Wales on that play. Or was it the 3rd down play. Weird series, especially since I think it was our first under center snaps of the season.

Either way, no big deal just needed that W. Next week is huge, every week is new, so I'm trying not to worry about any concerns from SB. But if I had 1, it's punching it in if we have 1st and goal inside the 5.

Bottom line is if a 1AA hangs with you at halftime you have to hope you dominate them in the 2nd half. And we did.

They went 7 OL, 2 FB's for three or four straight plays before that. Then they go three wide, 1 TE on 4th and less than 1.

That's what I don't get. If you are going power to make a point to the OL, stay with it.

 

[anglerman]

I don't like Smith either, I think he brings very little to this offense. Brigid should be getting his snaps Smith just isn't a playmaker.

 

[SaintTristan]

they will be prepared

do you think they will be more or less prepared than they were in the first half against the mighty seawolves?

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

LOL - I think I've heard everything that is possible to hear now on this board.

:rolling:

Qdwagg must have missed the entire Delone Carter Era. I'm not sure he ever gained a yard without being hit in the back field first. I suppose that shouldnt be the expectation though.

I would expect Smith, with a full head of steam, to be able to truck some corners or dive ahead for first downs. Again, I really think it comes down to instincts.

 

[Jake]

You obviously don't respect my opinions because this is at least the 2nd snide comment from you towards me in the past day. So, let me ask you this: every heard of the phrase, "making something out of nothing?" Good power running backs have the ability to move the pile or find a little crease, not just pound into their own players and go down right where they're hit. Watch a youtube clip of Earl Campbell for a reference point, genius.

when we start recruiting earl Campbell types you'll have a point, until then I will ask our OL to block, you know, just in case.

 

[anglerman]

do you think they will be more or less prepared than they were in the first half against the mighty seawolves?

Next week they could look like world beaters and crush Minnesota. At points of time in all 3 games SU has looked flat out awesome. That said they seem to be doing things wrong in each game that are costing them. The problem is that it's different types of mistakes in each game.
Against NW it was bizarre turnovers, in the SB game it's not finishing in the redzone.
The odd thing is that before SB they were nearly perfect in the redzone.

 

[rrlbees]

"If you watched SB yesterday, their tailback carried us an extra 3-5 yards after contact for practically the entire game."

That's what I'm looking for from Smith.

That RB did not do that in the situations you feel JS should have.

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[rrlbees]

I don't like Smith either, I think he brings very little to this offense. Brigid should be getting his snaps Smith just isn't a playmaker.

There is nothing wrong with 18 for 96.

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[RF2044]

It doesn't look like the lay up I thought it would be.

Minnesota, at least by the numbers, is a bad match. Stong running game and pass defense.

That being said they have played UNLV, New Hampshire, and W. Mich

I don't agree with the assessment that it is a bad matchup. Minnesota isn't very good, and have benefitted IMMENSELY from playing the schedule they've played. Their entire offense is based around Gray, who is a tremendous athlete. If he is hobbled, that is huge for us, because 50% of their rushing yardage is amassed by Gray scrambling after broken plays.

I really like our chances in this week's game, with or without Gray.

 

[RF2044]

There is nothing wrong with 18 for 96.

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Completely agree. Look, I think that some of the perspectives on Smith expressed here are off-target. Just because he isn't a world beater doesn't mean that he doesn't have value. PTG outplayed him the first two games, no question, but Smith had a fantastic game yesterday and was probably the better of the two. So which of them is better than the other? My answer: who cares?

Bottom line--we need BOTH of these RBs, who are intermittently going to play well depending on matchups. And Broyld gives us an added dimension there in the backfield as both a runner and receiver, as well. Great situation to have. Those who want PTG to play and Smith to sit miss that point, I think.

 

[Toga]

I thought Smith was fine. Would like to see Broyld in the slot a little more.

 

[qdawgg]

Qdwagg must have missed the entire Delone Carter Era. I'm not sure he ever gained a yard without being hit in the back field first. I suppose that shouldnt be the expectation though.

I would expect Smith, with a full head of steam, to be able to truck some corners or dive ahead for first downs. Again, I really think it comes down to instincts.

Exactly my point. DC didn't do any of those things we are looking for. He had just as many carries where he had a full head of steam and was stopped on a dime at the LOS. Sometimes he got 1 yard but rarely did he ever get decent yardage unless there was some type of opening or push to start with.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

Exactly my point. DC didn't do any of those things we are looking for. He had just as many carries where he had a full head of steam and was stopped on a dime at the LOS. Sometimes he got 1 yard but rarely did he ever get decent yardage unless there was some type of opening or push to start with.

I'm sorry, that wasnt the point i was trying to make. Essentially, I think just about every yard Carter ever gained, was gained after initial contact.

 

[qdawgg]

I'm sorry, that wasnt the point i was trying to make. Essentially, I think just about every yard Carter ever gained, was gained after initial contact.

No problem, he did run for a ton of tough yards. Maybe all of his yards were tough yards, lol. But he also got stonewalled a lot too, almost none of which were directly his fault or lack of power. That was all I was saying. I'm not saying Smith is a DC either, I don't know if we have anyone like that yet. Maybe - hopefully AAM in another year.

 

[SUskibum]

No problem, he did run for a ton of tough yards. Maybe all of his yards were tough yards, lol. But he also got stonewalled a lot too, almost none of which were directly his fault or lack of power. That was all I was saying. I'm not saying Smith is a DC either, I don't know if we have anyone like that yet. Maybe - hopefully AAM in another year.

Look at the 4th down play on our last scoring drive against USC... AB got hit 3 yards deep as soon as he touched the ball, made a sidestep move and plowed forward for a gain of 2-3, enough for the first down

I think that's are what people are saying about smith... The blocking doesn't always hold up when it should but good/great backs overcome it. Doesn't mean smith sucks, he doesnt, but is he our best option given our growing sample sizes

 

[rrlbees]

Look at the 4th down play on our last scoring drive against USC... AB got hit 3 yards deep as soon as he touched the ball, made a sidestep move and plowed forward for a gain of 2-3, enough for the first down

I think that's are what people are saying about smith... The blocking doesn't always hold up when it should but good/great backs overcome it. Doesn't mean smith sucks, he doesnt, but is he our best option given our growing sample sizes

Different types of plays tho too. Its one thing to get the ball 5 yards deep out of the shot gun a d be able to show some wiggle.. It's another to get the ball right up the gut. I'd like someone to look at a replay if that series and especially the 4th down and tell me exactly what Smith should have done.

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[arbitragegls]

do you think they will be more or less prepared than they were in the first half against the mighty seawolves?

welcome back...where have u been

 

[PhatOrange]

If you want to blast Jerome blast him for dancing like hes a 190 lb jitterbug back and not lowering his shoulder and running over people north south like he should. Kid thinks he has wiggle and can run laterally and he can't.

 

[SUskibum]

Different types of plays tho too. Its one thing to get the ball 5 yards deep out of the shot gun a d be able to show some wiggle.. It's another to get the ball right up the gut. I'd like someone to look at a replay if that series and especially the 4th down and tell me exactly what Smith should have done.

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Bees, I'm not sure but I thought both were short yardage situations (1 yard) and both out of shot guns and both direct hand offs to the right (why do we power run to our weak side?) and both with penetration and contact 2-3 yards deep. Only difference IMO is vision and/or wiggle.

Interesting stats between our backs regarding the ability to see what the d is giving and execute...

PTG and Slash 44 carries ave 5ypc with 3 TD and only 6 negative yards.

Smith also has 44 carries but for 4ypc no TD and 17 negative yards.

I think the most telling stats are actually the negative yards (make something out of nothing) and scores (some backs can just 'see' how to get to the end zone)

Keep in minds this is with the same line, same offense vs the same opponents

I am NOT bashing smith I am pumped we have his depth, both for injuries and when our primary backs need a blow/ change of pace, but I do think have other backs that should make us question JS up the middle 3x in a row

 

[kcsu]

You do realize that on the 4th down play, he didn't have a lead block, there was no FB or TE help to the side he ran to, and Alexander whiffed, right?

Horrible call by us on that play. we lined up in a formation that made it almost impossible to do anything but hand the ball off the Smith and he was jammed. I have no idea why we didnt spread them out and make them defend more of the field. Horrible call

 

[rrlbees]

Horrible call by us on that play. we lined up in a formation that made it almost impossible to do anything but hand the ball off the Smith and he was jammed. I have no idea why we didnt spread them out and make them defend more of the field. Horrible call

We were spread out.

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[Rocco]

If you watched SB yesterday, their tailback carried us an extra 3-5 yards after contact for practically the entire game. I don't think one player took him down by himself during the game.

Why players don't tackle the legs is beyond me. You take the legs out, you stop the forward motion. Way too many upper body "pop" tackles in that game. They really need to work on that.