Missouri has a offer from SEC

[Scooch]

If Texas goes to the PAC 12-16 as it almost did a year and a half ago, then all hell is ready to break loose.

Why?

Let's assume the Texases and Oklahomas go to the Pac-12. And let's assume the SEC take Mizzou to get to 14. If ND decides to stay independent, what compelling reason is there for the B10 to expand? For the SEC to go to 16?

These are super-rich conferences that will only expand if it makes complete economic sense.

The assumption that they both will go to 16 just because the Pac-12 does is silly.

 

[Arizona Knight]

I agree with you, eventually Rutgers will be fine, just a matter of time but if things go the wrong way, you certainly could get left holding a bag of steaming dog sh!, stranger things have happened. That is the issue. most likely fine, if not then look out. If the SEC raids a couple of ACC teams and the ACC has to add two more the league will still be 100 times better than what the Big East has become

No argument here.

 

[tipphill]

tota

1) I guess its bad for our friends...not us. Still bad news though.
2) Rutgers in the B10 is bad for SU recruiting.

With the right coach, Rutgers "could" be a powerful program with their new facilities and fertile recruiting grounds...etc Too bad for them Shady doesn't know how to coach.

It would be better for SU longterm if Rutgers was shut out of the B10.

totally agree with the this

 

[Upstate]

Texas wants the BXII because they can have their network. It gets them a lot of money.

 

[chakka3421]

Let me preface this by saying you guys have a seat and that's a great thing, obviously. Needless to say I'm jealous. That said, no one will be reacting to the ACC moves except the Big East. The ACC acted in defense with the additions of Pitt and Syracuse.

Everything is being driven by Texas right now, just as it was in the spring of 09. If Texas goes to the PAC 12-16 as it almost did a year and a half ago, then all hell is ready to break loose. The PAC 16 will be set, then the Big Ten and the SEC will make there moves and I wouldn't assume the ACC schools are off limits, not by a longshot. 20MM (should that figure actually hold up) could be made up in a couple of years if a team moved to the SEC or Big Ten.

I think Rutgers is in a decent position right now if Texas bolts. If Texas saves the Big XII, we're phucked. However, if they bolt, this will put everything in motion and at the end of the day, despite our on field performance, either the ACC or the Big Ten will use Rutgers as the vehicle to showcase their respective league inside the NYC DMA. My hope is for the Big Ten, I suspect it will be the ACC, but I hope to Christ it's not something else.

So again, congratulations on finding a safe spot to land, you can watch the rest of this unfold in relative calm while the rest of us sweat out every tweet.

I think ND independent status yet BCS eligible and now Texas with their LHN has caused all this trouble. This move is motivated to force ND to finally force their hand...very strategic move if ND joins the ACC. If not, I see both UConn and Rutgers joining the ACC to lock up the East Coast. What I like about all this is that someone if finally forcing the hand of both ND and Texas and not the other way around. Honestly I dont think ND joins the ACC imo.

 

[BlackKnight76]

ND can't stay independent if they want to play for an NC sometime in the future. 4x16 is pointing towards a small playoff.

 

[Arizona Knight]

Why?

Let's assume the Texases and Oklahomas go to the Pac-12. And let's assume the SEC take Mizzou to get to 14. If ND decides to stay independent, what compelling reason is there for the B10 to expand? For the SEC to go to 16?

These are super-rich conferences that will only expand if it makes complete economic sense.

The assumption that they both will go to 16 just because the Pac-12 does is silly.

Scooch,

You are in "the business" so I'm certainly going to defer to your expertise, but the Big Ten Network wants content and carraige fees. You can make the argument that Rutgers would be in the Big Ten already if they could add to the coffers, but the same could be said about Pitt and Cuse to the ACC. The Big Ten has had it's eyes on NYC and the DC area for quite sometime and I'm not certain that any of that has changed.

As for the SEC, if they can expand their geographic footprint into Virginia or North Carolina or add a national program like FSU, I have to assume that would be profitable.

 

[Scooch]

Scooch,

You are in "the business" so I'm certainly going to defer to your expertise, but the Big Ten Network wants content and carraige fees. You can make the argument that Rutgers would be in the Big Ten already if they could add to the coffers, but the same could be said about Pitt and Cuse to the ACC. The Big Ten has had it's eyes on NYC and the DC area for quite sometime and I'm not certain that any of that has changed.

As for the SEC, if they can expand their geographic footprint into Virginia or North Carolina or add a national program like FSU, I have to assume that would be profitable.

I never claim to know what conference commissioners and college presidents are thinking, because the lot of them are certifiable. But just from my perch, I do think they understand that they are coming under increased scrutiny for being out-and-out greedy. None of them want to be hauled in front of a Senate sub-committee and roasted. For the B10, there is no slam dunk outside of ND. If they add Rutgers under the guise of "getting" the NY market, they then have to slog through every cable affiliate and negotiate for a higher level of carriage. It's an exhausting process that could also bring scrutiny from the government.

So my point is just that while people just assume these conferences will blow up to 16, there are a TON of reasons why they won't. At least for now. I would argue that once ND and Texas are off the board there is very little difference in value among the programs that are left. Sure, Kansas is worth more than Baylor, UConn more than USF, but its incremental.

 

[rrlbees]

Meh. At this point I'm not worried about what other programs land so much, from a recruiting standpoint. We're now in an attractive, stable conference with brand-name opponents. We'll have more $$$ to build the necessary facilities. We're getting back on level footing with our geographic recruiting rivals. We'll also be able to tap into the fertile recruiting areas of the mid-Atlantic and Florida much more legitimately now.

If Rutgers is in the B10... whatever. They might get a few kids who's eyes light up at seeing Michigan or Ohio State on the schedule, but those are also kids that aren't good enough to go and play at Michigan or Ohio State. I have no concern that they will ever field a program that competes consistently... well in any conference, but certainly not in the B10.

And honestly, how could ND get "more" into anywhere or on TV?!

Never said I was worried about rutgers. I worry about the other teams and greater exposure to NJ and metro NYC. There have been plenty of expansion articles out there that have mentioned several conferences and teams and one of their goals being exposure to some state of city for recruiting purposes.