More optimism for football than basketball?

[NineOneSeven]

Given the Washington verbal and current swings and misses, including sanctions, on the basketball program, I have to ask--

When was the last time that happened?

Sure, a factor is the level of success fans expect is much higher for bball, but nevertheless, an interesting observation.

 

[Brooky03]

The football team's ceiling is pretty much .500 and will be for a few more years.

Even with the recent news and sanctions, the basketball team's ceiling for the next few years is considerably higher.

Idk how optimism is measured, but I'm much more optimistic for the basketball team than the football team. My optimism for the football team has improved and my optimism for the basketball team has declined, but it would take a lot (like a lot, a lot) for me to feel better about the football team's chances at being successful than the basketball team's.

 

[iommi]

I get your point but the football team has to actually do something on the football field first before the casual fan has any sort of confidence. Maybe there is a belief that the football staff is starting to turn a corner but it's all on paper right now.

The hoops program has a proven track record, the football team does not (in the past decade or so), so a good majority of people are still in "prove it to me" mode with football. There definitely is a sense of foreboding with the basketball program that hasn't been there in a long time. We are becoming desperate for a piece of good news on the hoops front.

 

[dasher]

Given the Washington verbal and current swings and misses, including sanctions, on the basketball program, I have to ask--

When was the last time that happened?

Sure, a factor is the level of success fans expect is much higher for bball, but nevertheless, an interesting observation.

You make an observation and than say it is an interesting observation. I think that is an interesting observation.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Good point iommi. "Optimism", however that is measured, may be trending downwards of late while football trends up, but the overall magnitude is still higher for basketball, for reasons you elude to.

 

[NKR1978]

I'm incredibly optimistic about the 2016 season. After that who knows, but I try not to wet myself over the decisions of 17 year old boys. We dropped in the mid 2000's and in the 90's but those were temporary. This hiccup will also pass, but there could be a few more bad years by our standards before things get better.

 

[NashvilleOrange]

I feel it. Each program's past season was very disappointing but the football has a lot of room for improvement while the basketball program appears to be on a downward path.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I need to see the football team play on offense before I can make any statement on my optimism for them.

In hoops I believe we can win every game we play.

 

[tbonezone]

"In hoops I believe we can win every game we play.[/QUOTE]"


true in hoops i feel we can play with any D1 program. football we're gonna be just a punching bag a number of games.

 

[cuseguy]

We had a 5-6 year span in basketball recently where I thought we had Final 4 potential just about every year.

We are now headed into the second year of what will likely be a 3-4 year run where my expectations will be just to make the tourney.

 

[hoopsupstate]

The latest ACC predictions for next year have SU picked 9th following by Pitt at 10. That will not get us an NCAA bid.

 

[007]

Would you rather be a sparrow than a snail?

 

[cuseattle]

Would you rather be a sparrow than a snail?

If I could, I surely would.
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[Nicknack]

...I try not to wet myself over the decisions of 17 year old boys.

I think that's what Bernie said too.

As for the football program, I do find myself more excited than normal about the prospect of getting better talent and possibly being able to start cracking into the top 25 - although probably not for 2-3 years.

 

[orange2win]

Well, I can understand more optimism for football. They finally pulled in a 4 star recruit, while the BB program is loosing 5 star hopefuls.

Has football had a serious 5 star hopeful in recent years?

 

[Moontan]

Well, I can understand more optimism for football. They finally pulled in a 4 star recruit, while the BB program is loosing 5 star hopefuls.

Has football had a serious 5 star hopeful in recent years?

Washington could be a ***** recruit before all is said and done.

 

[Briancuse]

The latest ACC predictions for next year have SU picked 9th following by Pitt at 10. That will not get us an NCAA bid.

Those predictions are meaningless, they had Notre Dame finishing like 8th in the league last year, and look what happened. People are overreacting, we will be very good next year.

 

[two3zone]

Those predictions are meaningless, they had Notre Dame finishing like 8th in the league last year, and look what happened. People are overreacting, we will be very good next year.

A league average team losing an all american and only capable of playing the 5 on the team and we'll be very good next year? D.C. had a rough time when he did play when he was healthy and in game shape, 2 years removed and injury concerns along with a project junior and a 6'8" freshman manning the 5 could lead to disaster on both sides of the ball. To make up the loss of Rak we need solid production from the 5 AND everybody else to elevate their games, we also are missing a hall of fame coach for 9 games.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Given the Washington verbal and current swings and misses, including sanctions, on the basketball program, I have to ask--

When was the last time that happened?

Sure, a factor is the level of success fans expect is much higher for bball, but nevertheless, an interesting observation.

On team has JB and Hopkins. One does not.

 

[longislandcuse]

It's absolutely in relation to expectation. I expect Syracuse Basketball to be Sweet 16 at minimum every year. If Syracuse football got to 8 wins and borderline Top 25 status, I'd be doing cartwheels...and then once that Is maintained you'd see expectations rise for football as well.

Also CFB is about 100x better than CBB right now.

 

[Briancuse]

A league average team losing an all american and only capable of playing the 5 on the team and we'll be very good next year? D.C. had a rough time when he did play when he was healthy and in game shape, 2 years removed and injury concerns along with a project junior and a 6'8" freshman manning the 5 could lead to disaster on both sides of the ball. To make up the loss of Rak we need solid production from the 5 AND everybody else to elevate their games, we also are missing a hall of fame coach for 9 games.

No one knew going into the season that rak was going to be an all american. Obviously D.C. has a lot of work to do to overcome his injury, but we are talking about a mcdonalds all american talent. Not to mention we have a top 5 freshman class coming in, and alot of other acc teams are losing a lot as well.

 

[OrangeDW]

A league average team losing an all american and only capable of playing the 5 on the team and we'll be very good next year? D.C. had a rough time when he did play when he was healthy and in game shape, 2 years removed and injury concerns along with a project junior and a 6'8" freshman manning the 5 could lead to disaster on both sides of the ball. To make up the loss of Rak we need solid production from the 5 AND everybody else to elevate their games, we also are missing a hall of fame coach for 9 games.

Obviously Christmas is a huge loss, but I think we'll be better and deeper at the other 4 positions.

 

[Alsacs]

Basketball has to be one of the best 36 teams for an at-large bid into the tourney. Football has to be one of the top 4 teams to play for the NC.

I think I am more optimistic even with 10 players we can be one of the best 36 teams to get into the tourney than FB being a real contender.

 

[TheCusian]

Basketball has to be one of the best 36 teams for an at-large bid into the tourney. Football has to be one of the top 4 teams to play for the NC. I think I am more optimistic even with 10 players we can be one of the best 36 teams to get into the tourney than FB being a real contender.

To be fair, the question wasn't who is likely to play in the NCAA championship game. But who do you feel more optimistic about ... Like trending up or down.

If we don't add some more top talent around RW44, then FB is a wash. Proven HoF coach retiring in three years, less scholarships, recruiting misses - I'd give SU BB a "trending ever-so-slightly down for the moment".

Unlike BB, where there are some built in advantages - FB has inherent disadvantages. So long term? BB up, FB holding steady.

 

[Alsacs]

To be fair, the question wasn't who is likely to play in the NCAA championship game. But who do you feel more optimistic about ... Like trending up or down.

If we don't add some more top talent around RW44, then FB is a wash. Proven HoF coach retiring in three years, less scholarships, recruiting misses - I'd give SU BB a "trending ever-so-slightly down for the moment".

Unlike BB, where there are some built in advantages - FB has inherent disadvantages. So long term? BB up, FB holding steady.

RW alone is not enough for me to have confidence in SS. Actually seeing a competent offense would be a more helpful. I don't think FB has more optimism than BB. We can still be compete for a NC in BB even without elite talent by making the dance and getting lucky. FB can't compete with FSU or Clemson or a majority of the ACC. All the ACC FB for the most part are bringing in more talent which is huge in the college game.

JB has WAY more cache as a coach than SS. Give me the HOFer over SS. We may not get our first targets, but we will get top 25 recruiting classes. Mike Hopkins has proven himself as a recruiter as well.
I still am more optimistic in SU BB doing something special nationally than SU FB doing so.