More optimism for football than basketball?

[Orange2389]

if the football team performs to program standards and bball perofrms the same way then I think it will be ok. dome air will help tho. also, not all the rectuits are going to the nfl on the team although most of them will get drafted

 

[TheCusian]

RW alone is not enough for me to have confidence in SS. Actually seeing a competent offense would be a more helpful. I don't think FB has more optimism than BB. We can still be compete for a NC in BB even without elite talent by making the dance and getting lucky. FB can't compete with FSU or Clemson or a majority of the ACC. All the ACC FB for the most part are bringing in more talent which is huge in the college game. JB has WAY more cache as a coach than SS. Give me the HOFer over SS. We may not get our first targets, but we will get top 25 recruiting classes. Mike Hopkins has proven himself as a recruiter as well. I still am more optimistic in SU BB doing something special nationally than SU FB doing so.

I kind of doubt we're done recruiting the 2016 class . RW44 won't be the last good/great player in this class. I agree on the competence on offense, of course. But a part of that might be RW and friends.

But fair points on the rest. I don't think it's so much about being optimistic nationally. That hill is easier to climb in basketball, that's for sure.

Bet relative to where they have been? I'll stick to my assessment.

 

[SUskibum]

I have a hunch that RW (along with a couple promising QB recruits), is going to make OCTL and HCSS look really smart on offense all of a sudden.

If I was a betting man (which I am)

 

[baggerbob]

The coming years team my expectations are hopeful we make the tournament, our backcourt will still be a problem, and defensively we will miss Rak.

 

[Trueblue25]

Football's ceiling is higher than .500. It's all about whether Hunt can utilize the new talent surrounding him, he's the make or break (has a shaky line again though).

Our linebackers look solid (Zaire's a beast), we have a promising young secondary and hopefully our d line will prove fairly stout again I'm really optimistic about Slayton.

 

[omniorange]

I have waited to post in this thread mainly because I was unsure how to reply.

If I were to answer based upon overall success regardless of expectations (and since men's lacrosse is our third sport, I will include them as well) then I would say I am more optimistic of men's lacrosse, then men's basketball, and then football.

However, if I were to answer based upon a combination of expectation and success to that level or better then I would say I am more optimistic of football (where my expectation is reaching a bowl game and finishing at least 4-4 in the ACC), then men's basketball (where my expectation is at least S16 seven times in a decade with at least one good championship run in that time frame), followed by lacrosse (where my expectation is a Final Four 8 years out ten and at least 3 NCs a decade).

Cheers,
Neil

 

[Bayside44]

That's crazy.

JB can practically will an coach my old intramural team to 20 wins. Our football HC, although a nice guy, could very possibly be in over his head.

Hoops is discouraging to be by losing kids to the frigging second round, and our last two point guards, one on the d-league shuttle, the other on the worst franchise (minus the Knicks) and both traded.

But that's still infinitely better and such a quicker "fix" thank football.

 

[omniorange]

That's crazy.

JB can practically will an coach my old intramural team to 20 wins. Our football HC, although a nice guy, could very possibly be in over his head.

Hoops is discouraging to be by losing kids to the frigging second round, and our last two point guards, one on the d-league shuttle, the other on the worst franchise (minus the Knicks) and both traded.

But that's still infinitely better and such a quicker "fix" thank football.

I will assume that this is just a generic response since you didn't quote anyone. But I will say, when I answered the question I looked at it as not just next year but over the next several years although it could be taken as simply next year as well.

And while your point about JB is a solid one, he's only here for a couple of more years and those years there will be a perception that he can be hampered by both the sanctions and the negative recruiting due to his being prominently mentioned in the sanctions as being an "out of control" coach. Now we may disagree with the NCAA's report, but youngsters and their families may not. We don't know yet how that will play out at this stage. I don't think it will be significant, but we just don't know. Then there is the unknown in terms of his successor. Will the new AD anoint Hop as the successor? If they do, will Hop succeed? These are unknown factors.

Shafer could indeed possibly be in over his head. I, personally, think he may be. But the expectations, from me at least, is lesser than my expectations for the basketball program. And he already met my expectations for the football program in his first year as coach and with UVa being down, and with Wake, Pitt and BC at home going 4-4 in the ACC with Rhode Island, CMU, and USF as OOC opponents getting at least 6 wins and going bowling seems more than likely.

Again, as good as JB has been over the years, getting the team to the S16 next year is also certainly doable. But it depends largely on both DC2's health and KJ's improvement. I have no doubt JB will integrate Richardson, Diagne, and Lydon into a decent rotation off the bench.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Given the Washington verbal and current swings and misses, including sanctions, on the basketball program, I have to ask--

When was the last time that happened?

Sure, a factor is the level of success fans expect is much higher for bball, but nevertheless, an interesting observation.

Uh. No. If you are grading on a curve, maybe.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

You make an observation and than say it is an interesting observation. I think that is an interesting observation.

I think only the Most Interesting Man in the World can get away with that.