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[rrlbees]

Lou, I have no idea if he raised her or not but that article begs a lot of questions and brings out some things that Meggs never mentioned during his clown presser.

Bruises don't mean guilt, but they do mean she received bruises somehow. And of course the DNA.

It was taken so seriously they allowed Winston to just decline questioning.

The witnesses that were mentioned as if they were key to no charges being brought...were his friends and were prepped by Winston's lawyer?

She called her friends almost immediately who then called the cops and her parents. Seems plausible to me. Women handle rape in many different ways. The author never called or told anyone for a very long time. How she handled it just a couple hours later can't be used as proof of anything in favor of Winston.

Like I said, some things in there that make you go hmmmm. Guilty or not, the whole thing and how it was handled then and now seem strange.

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[All4SU]

Yo

You know that woman do lie sometimes right? .

Everybody lies.

 

[Orangeman]

People need to read the police reports

It is very unlikely this was a rape

Either three men are lying, under oath, or this is an unfortunate situation that happens probably 14,000 times a weekend in this county.

The original article in this post is crazy. Imagine if that were the preponderance of evidence required to even think you were guilty? Country would be a mess, or like a lot of countries that have been messes in the world.

People need to read the police report. No memory but no drugs/alcohol = no case (withholding judgement, as we should, that the accuser is concocting a story here). She realizes a month later that the guy is in her class (and I know these classes can be big) AND he's the star QB?

Regardless of the classless presentation of the no charges ruling, people shouldn't jump on that.

 

[storange]

I believe the girl (accuser).

I do to.

 

[orange79]

Either three men are lying, under oath, or this is an unfortunate situation that happens probably 14,000 times a weekend in this county.

Because buds NEVER get together and lie to protect each other. Ever.

 

[storange]

FWIW, a blood alcohol level of .1o is 20 percent higher than the State of Florida legal limit for operating a motor vehicle.

depends, some people would be showing no signs of in intoxication at that level, and some would be sloppy drunk.

 

[Orangepace]

That's a lot of explaining you are doing. I think the right answer is sometimes the simpler one -- the one as intimated by the article. And a victim's story of what happened IS evidence. You come along way to protect your school.

He's been around here a while now. And I think his second post actually makes a few simple points of which I agree with. If this was a rape, I really feel sorry for the girl, however, why did the story change and why did she waver on whether to pursue the story or not?

 

[rrlbees]

People need to read the police reports It is very unlikely this was a rape Either three men are lying, under oath, or this is an unfortunate situation that happens probably 14,000 times a weekend in this county. The original article in this post is crazy. Imagine if that were the preponderance of evidence required to even think you were guilty? Country would be a mess, or like a lot of countries that have been messes in the world. People need to read the police report. No memory but no drugs/alcohol = no case (withholding judgement, as we should, that the accuser is concocting a story here). She realizes a month later that the guy is in her class (and I know these classes can be big) AND he's the star QB? Regardless of the classless presentation of the no charges ruling, people shouldn't jump on that.

Why do you think she called her friends in hysterics only 2 hours later?

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[Orangepace]

FWIW, a blood alcohol level of .1o is 20 percent higher than the State of Florida legal limit for operating a motor vehicle.

It's also the equivalent of 3 beers/shots I n under an hour for a girl of her size. In college I knew only a few people who didn't drink that in a night out, but none managed to black out for 3 hours immediately afterward and sober up to the point of seeming completely coherent 2 hours later.

Either way, your point is?

 

[Orangepace]

Lou, I have no idea if he raised her or not but that article begs a lot of questions and brings out some things that Meggs never mentioned during his clown presser. Bruises don't mean guilt, but they do mean she received bruises somehow. And of course the DNA. It was taken so seriously they allowed Winston to just decline questioning. The witnesses that were mentioned as if they were key to no charges being brought...were his friends and were prepped by Winston's lawyer? She called her friends almost immediately who then called the cops and her parents. Seems plausible to me. Women handle rape in many different ways. The author never called or told anyone for a very long time. How she handled it just a couple hours later can't be used as proof of anything in favor of Winston. Like I said, some things in there that make you go hmmmm. Guilty or not, the whole thing and how it was handled then and now seem strange. Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner

But the officers noted that the bruises were on her knee and inner elbow. That's a far cry from bruised wrists/forearms.

 

[Orangepace]

Why do you think she called her friends in hysterics only 2 hours later? Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner

Simple... I quote directly from her own mouth according to the documents..."after he finished, he said you can go now." And only after another moment offered to give her a ride on the scooter. He treated her like a one time hookup and she took offense.

 

[All4SU]

Simple... I quote directly from her own mouth according to the documents..."after he finished, he said you can go now." And only after another moment offered to give her a ride on the scooter. He treated her like a one time hookup and she took offense.

Don't you think it's odd to quote that comment, and suggest that the second part of it, "...he said 'you can go now'" as the operative phrase, rather than the first part, "...after he finished..."?

 

[Orangeman]

Why do you think she called her friends in hysterics only 2 hours later? Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner

Unfortunately that's the exact same as Winston's friends backing their friend, depending on the circumstance

Under the law

We're all defined by experiences. I've witnessed a guy nearly get ruined by a young woman who was lying and he had nothing to do with it (different scenario, no sex). The authorities were HORRIBlE then too...which is why we stick to the law

This woman unfortunately forgets the key details of how she got there. Which is unbelievable and part of the thesis here

There is no case based on the reports. And more DNA than one person.

 

[mscanlo]

Why do you think she called her friends in hysterics only 2 hours later?

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or who knows, maybe she felt guilty she cheated on her bf and called her friends hysterically?

 

[rrlbees]

or who knows, maybe she felt guilty she cheated on her bf and called her friends hysterically?

The thing that keeps coming up in my mind is how this whole case was handled and investigated from the very beginning. Something doesn't add up.

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[Orangepace]

Don't you think it's odd to quote that comment, and suggest that the second part of it, "...he said 'you can go now'" as the operative phrase, rather than the first part, "...after he finished..."?

What I think is there are too many people in this thread pushing their personal agendas... I've seen attacks on the prosecutor, attacks on the girl and attacks on Jameis. I've also seen attacks in the friends of all the individuals involved.

I honestly don't know what happened, but I think that any of us publicly voicing one way or the other is just asinine. There were no charges brought because there wasn't enough evidence and the victims credibility was too easy to crack because of the different stories. I can make arguments for both sides. We will never know the true story...

Ray Lewis might not have done it...

 

[ImperialOrange]

As a guy that knows that "rape" is often post-s e x regret, I think "hopefully I don't hook up with some crazy beeoch that accuses me of rape after we get busy". At least that's what ran through my head before I got married...it's not so much an issue to me personally anymore. But I do find the musings of the blue-pill crowd on this subject amusing.

Same boat, even to the point of asking "are you sure?" right before.

It's impossible to form and informed opinion in this situation without personally knowing either of the people involved so I don't pretend to hage one. I can run through a myriad of reasons why she may may be lying and obviously one reason why Winston may be lying. Only thing I really know is the investigation was a joke.

 

[Orangeman]

Same boat, even to the point of asking "are you sure?" right before. It's impossible to form and informed opinion in this situation without personally knowing either of the people involved so I don't pretend to hage one. I can run through a myriad of reasons why she may may be lying and obviously one reason why Winston may be lying. Only thing I really know is the investigation was a joke.

Right, which is why we have to focus on the police report.

And maybe it was shoddy police work, but her own statement, taken right away, does not seem prosecutable. The DA must envision having to answer why the young women ended up the car and can't remember those details, but can remember other details. Again that statement was taken right away, and without further information, there is absolutely no case. It also implies that a shoddy investigation is NOT the reason this case is not leading to charges filed.

The guys in that apartment were rude to her, doesn't seem to be a question about that, and there are myriad reasons why that could lead to issues such as this unfortunately.

There may be a time, and I'm not taking this issue lightly, where we can prosecute he said/she said crimes using some "minority report" framework and advanced technology, but right now in the pursuit of justice the story needs to line up, there must be evidence and there can't be any doubts like what's arisen in this case.

 

[Mistakebythelake90]

If there's anything that Bernie Fine taught me, it was to not jump to conclusions until all the facts are known. If they couldn't even bring charges against him, then it speaks volumes about the actual evidence they had against Winston. Look, it's easy to say things like, "of course the florida DA would protect him" or "of course his friends would lie for him." It is also easy to say nasty things about a girl, just because her alleged rapist happens to be a celebrity. Luckily, in our country, (for the most part) the law doesn't work on hunches or appearances. The law says that you are innocent until proven guilty, and in this case there wasn't enough evidence to really even start the legal process. People can speculate all they want about extenuating circumstances of the case, but I refuse to judge someone just because they were accused of a crime. My GF could go to the police tomorow and accuse me of rape, and they would have about the same evidence as this case does.

 

[syr02esq]

Would you not expect him to come to defend his school???

The school yes, the player no.

 

[ssbriefcase]

There's just no way I could be surprised about anything in the judicial system when it comes to Florida.

 

[Crusty]

Innocent until proven guilty is a legal distinction. It only means that "in the eyes of the law" someone is innocent until proven guilty. The expression has little meaning beyond its legal one. Remember that the entire criminal legal system is weighted heavily against wrongful conviction - hence the saying that it is better that ten guilty men go free than for one innocent man to be convicted.

There are numerous examples of wrongly convicted as well as wrongly acquitted (OJ) much less wrongly accused (Duke LAX) or wrongly unindicted.

In the court of public opinion, everyone is entitled to form their own opinion based on whatever facts are available. Unfortunately, the facts are seldom presented in the press thoroughly and impartially. We generally get leaked information not necessarily in the sequence that would allow us to have any proper perspective. Mine is colored by having four daughters.

This case in no different than most of this type -it is impossible to know the whole truth.

What we do know is that something happened and that the suspect was not even questioned. Once again, the Florida justice system has embarrassed itself - not that it really cares.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Innocent until proven guilty is a legal distinction. It only means that "in the eyes of the law" someone is innocent until proven guilty. The expression has little meaning beyond its legal one. Remember that the entire criminal legal system is weighted heavily against wrongful conviction - hence the saying that it is better that ten guilty men go free than for one innocent man to be convicted.

There are numerous examples of wrongly convicted as well as wrongly acquitted (OJ) much less wrongly accused (Duke LAX) or wrongly unindicted.

In the court of public opinion, everyone is entitled to form their own opinion based on whatever facts are available. Unfortunately, the facts are seldom presented in the press thoroughly and impartially. We generally get leaked information not necessarily in the sequence that would allow us to have any proper perspective. Mine is colored by having four daughters.

This case in no different than most of this type -it is impossible to know the whole truth.

What we do know is that something happened and that the suspect was not even questioned. Once again, the Florida justice system has embarrassed itself - not that it really cares.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/20/justice/o-j-simpson-film-claim/

 

[Lou_C]

You will not see me defending FSU players because they are FSU players.

I just think in this case, there is nothing to support any of three versions of the story that were given, but there is medical evidence that contradicts those stories. There is no evidence of rape in the case, other than the word of an accuser, and the accounts of that accuser are totally unreliable.

Meggs is very disliked by FSU players and fans because he's historically been overzealous, or at least zealous about charging players, and TPD has been aggressive as well. As well as generally being a tool...if you saw the press conference...that's him. He's just not a good guy. But he's also never covered up for FSU players, on rape or anything else. Travis Johnson passed lie detector tests and was still brought to trial, and acquitted in 30 minutes.

 

[CusefanATL]

Why do you think she called her friends in hysterics only 2 hours later?

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unfortunately a drunk hysterical girl calling another girl doesnt really equal rape.

it could just as likely be she was hysterical because she just cheated on her bf... hours after being with her bf.

there is no right and wrong answer (well there is... we just probably will never know which is which)