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Message: [QUOTE="Orangezoo, post: 4468321, member: 237"] I was wrong too on him honestly. So I'm right there with you. Looking back, we had the Jalen Carey debacle and Joe was the more confident of the two frosh (Goodine) who stepped up and took the spot. Outside of that scenario not sure if he ever would become our lead guard. Had Carey been as advertised, Goodine as well- then Joe is clearly the third guard and given his desire to play probably takes advantage of the portal. [/QUOTE]