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Syracuse was hit by a fairly big snow storm today. Had 6 inches on the ground in Liverpool by 8 AM and a couple more fell from that point forward. Made for a pretty scene but some nasty driving. Props as always to the maintenance crews of CNY for clearing the roads quickly and making it fairly easy for people to get to the game.

Another really good crowd. Got up to 30K thanks to a surge of late arriving students (I guess the 4 PM start time was a little too early for many of them). But they eventually got there and they made some noise. Even made a couple of signs and big heads. Good to see them do something other than show up for the games (and they are doing that; I believe this is the best the students have done for attendance in many, many years).

The crowd overall was loud and into the game most of the way. People continue to do a great job wearing orange. Solid. Saw a handful of Pitt fans in attendance, they have never brought many here but I was hoping with SU now being a relatively close conference game for them, this would change. It didn't.

There was a ceremony before the NA where around 20 people were officially sworn in as members of the US Air Force, with the members on the court and the oath carried over the loudspeakers. The kids got a big ovation and some people even started a USA, USA chant. This is a patriotic area. Good luck to them.

The NA was sung by two young women (I think they were SU students). Whoever they were, they did a unique a capella rendition that was nicely arranged and sung beautifully. They also received a strong ovation, which was well deserved. I don't know who is choosing the NA singers but they continue to do a hell of a job.

At some point in the 2nd half, Mr Excitement noted the presence of some members of the 10th Mountain Division from Fort Drum, a division that continues to grow ties to Syracuse University. They are apparently going to be deployed to Afganistan soon. When this was announced, they received a loud, rousing standing ovation. This is a patriotic area.

Some other minutia: I don't know what is going on with male cheerleaders at SU but only one was present today, which meant 4 female cheerleaders were pressed into service when the giant S and smaller C, U, S and E flags made their traditional appearance during the pregame activities (the guy carried the S flag). When the traditional running of the flags was done at the 4 minute time out, the male cheerleader carried the C flag and three females carried U, S and E. No S flag at all. If we lost, I believe the loss could be traced back to this exact moment.

Let's talk some basketball. As is it's wont, SU got off to another slow start in a big game at the Dome. Pitt did a good job getting the ball into the paint and making that great last pass to get an easy layup, dunk or foul. JB called a TO, put BMK in to stop and bleeding and he again responded. The big difference was SU stopped aggressively covering the guy with the ball in the middle of the paint, left him somewhat alone and stayed with the Pitt players on the sides of the lane down low. This confounded Pitt and made a big dent in their ability to score inside. This strategy continued once RC came back in and Pitt struggled to score the rest of the half.

CJ was covered by Patterson almost all game, which should have been of interest to everyone with a vote for ACC player of the year. CJ beat him badly a few times to get SU back in the game, but Patterson adjusted and it was tough going for CJ, who wasn't shut down but was certainly restricted from that point forward.

I thought Patterson was the best player on the court today. Pitt ran their offense through him, he passed the ball really well and did a nice job on the boards, He was easily Pitt's best scoring threat and only outside shooter. Doesn't have a quick release but hurt us badly in one big 2 minute stretch of uncharacteristically bad SU defense that got them back into the game. And of course, he played really good defense on CJ.

Syracuse blew a chance to finish the 1st half well. CJ missed 2 FTs on a technical and Silent G made an awful turnover late, which left Pitt much closer than they should have been. But SU got off to a strong start in the 2nd half and looked to have the game in hand until the combination of Patterson exploding and Pitt's shocking move to a 2-3 zone. That move worked out great for Pitt as SU did a really bad job attacking it and stopping scoring for a long time.

This frosh year for TE has been kind of legendary from day one. His brilliant play in Ottawa was a huge key in SU's rousing comeback win against Carleton. He has continued to play well all year, but always play his best when he is needed the most. It is kind of shocking to see a frosh play the role of the go to guy and to be fair to CJ, the role has certainly been shared this season (CJ has made a LOT of big plays himself). But today, TE took over the game, made two huge baskets when SU absolutely had to score and essentially iced the game with 2 big FTs.

The bipolar nature of RC's season continues; he recovered from a not so great game against BC with a solid game today. His ability to finish inside with a solid, confidence power move is impressive; he has become an important part of the offense. His ability to block shots and intimidate on defense is also huge (Zanna was terrified of them and reduced to shooting jumpers from 14 feet most of the game). BMK is not a threat on offense but he does contribute with his ability to get offensive rebounds (seems like a different person rebounding on the defensive side; weird). And he played good defense as well. I also wanted to credit him for passing up a good chance to score inside to kick the ball outside to his bestest buddy TC for a 3 from the corner. I could almost feel Hop's joy at this from my seat in 310.

Grant made another spectacular follow dunk, hit a couple of jumpers, made some nice drives and drew some fouls. Got a block or two again, as usual. Don't think his rebounding was as good as it has been in recent games, which was a problem as no one seemed to rebound well, at least on the defensive end, in the 2nd half, when Pitt was absolutely terrible running their half court offense but was rescued repeatedly by their prowess on the offensive boards.

Patterson did a good job overplaying CJ's left hand, and Pitt doubled him every time he got the ball near the paint, which ended up slowing down CJ some, but he didn't force shots or get frustrated.

Silent G didn't get a lot of PT, didn't do much, but I thought his defense was good in limited minutes. Heck, not many got PT in the 2nd half as JB went ultra conservative and didn't sub until RC got in foul trouble towards the end of the game. No play for TR or the other sons.

Some kid in the student section who calls himself Orange Knight participated in a shooting contest. He had an orange cape on and an orange devil mask, which he declined to remove when he was shooting. Did well, got all the way to the half court shot. His one try narrowly missed going in off the backboard.

I am not a big guy to blame refs for losses and of course, SU didn't lose this one but wow, I thought this crew was pretty inconsistent and weak. Missed a lot of calls both ways but my biggest concern is that they let both teams play most of the game...it was like the rule changes put in this year had been canceled. That was not a good development for SU and really helped Pitt, who wasn't nearly as clutchy and grabby as in prior years, but still did a lot of contact, discrete shoves, etc. Hope the crews in the ACC uphold the rules and stop Pitt from contining their long term campaign, with the aid of Butler and UL, to ruin the game of college basketball with their defensive tactics.

I also thought this was one of those days when every bounce and call seemed to go Pitt's way, much like every break in the UNC game went our way. Some of the offensive rebounds Pitt got were well earned but a lot of them were just blind luck when a bricked shot bounced in a bizarre direction directly to an out of position Panther. It is a great sign when your team doesn't play really well (especially on offense), doesn't rebound, doesn't get any breaks and still finds a way to win.

I submit that a lot of good SU teams in the recent past would have lost this game. The fact that this one didn't is a really good sign. Also like winning more games against Pitt, it was embarrassing that for a brief period of time they would claim that they were a better program (at least in terms of head to head matchups).

The rematch in Pittsburgh is going to be something special.
 
I really felt that SU played a B game today and won. Pitt pretty much played what they have all year, they dont shoot much better than that and they got all the loose balls , all balls kicked out of bounds, and killed us on the boards and FTs and that still wasnt enough to win..
 
I really felt that SU played a B game today and won. Pitt pretty much played what they have all year, they dont shoot much better than that and they got all the loose balls , all balls kicked out of bounds, and killed us on the boards and FTs and that still wasnt enough to win..


More like a "C" game, IMO.

Otherwise, agree 100% with your post.
 
Great writeup as always. Just one comment on Ennis. When he made those 2 huge buckets at the end, it looked to me like JB was imploring him to drive and take the shots. I sit second level behind the SU bench and saw it that way but didn't play the game back when I got home.
 
We are going to miss him BAD, and its going to hurt, whether its one year, two or whatever. This guy is just about perfect.
Sherm, Pearl, Superstars and damned good ones, but we have never seen *this* before. Like when McNabb was here, you knew Donny Mac and Graves were studs, but McNabb was just *different*.
The thing I have learned this year is a player can look "just ok" in the box score, and still own the game.
 
I always enjoy Tom's post game reviews, they are always accurate descriptions of what happened. Today was no exception. I also like his post game notes because he pays attention to ambiance (the crowd's tone, the performance of the national anthems, the presence of the bands, student turnouts, etc. Today we saw members of the armed forces honored (the 10th Mountain Division from Fort Drum) and the crowd, per usual was very warm towards them (as Tom said, this is a very patriotic area). He also mentioned that around 20 Air Force recruits were sworn in at center court before the Anthem. While there has been an increasing presence of military culture at SU sporting events over the past decade, I thought this Air Force ceremony was a bit over the top. We were being asked to honor these young people because they were signing up to serve in the U.S. Air Force. Advertising takes lots of forms these days (and the Dome atmosphere is saturated with advertising, blatent, obnoxious and sneaky), but if the Air Force didn't pay a ton of money to showcase this recruiting yield, they should have. 30,000 were actually listening in to the oath of service like it was a prayer or an analogy to the commitment our boys were making before going into battle with Pitt. I hope this doesn't become a regular pre-game ritual, but money talks and the Air Force already has quite a presence SU's campus. It is hard to get your money's worth in advertising these days. Product placement depends on a receptive context. When people are expecting the national anthem before a basketball game, it is a great spot for a military recruiting pitch--and as Tom says, CNY is a very patriotic area.

Syracuse was hit by a fairly big snow storm today. Had 6 inches on the ground in Liverpool by 8 AM and a couple more fell from that point forward. Made for a pretty scene but some nasty driving. Props as always to the maintenance crews of CNY for clearing the roads quickly and making it fairly easy for people to get to the game.

Another really good crowd. Got up to 30K thanks to a surge of late arriving students (I guess the 4 PM start time was a little too early for many of them). But they eventually got there and they made some noise. Even made a couple of signs and big heads. Good to see them do something other than show up for the games (and they are doing that; I believe this is the best the students have done for attendance in many, many years).

The crowd overall was loud and into the game most of the way. People continue to do a great job wearing orange. Solid. Saw a handful of Pitt fans in attendance, they have never brought many here but I was hoping with SU now being a relatively close conference game for them, this would change. It didn't.

There was a ceremony before the NA where around 20 people were officially sworn in as members of the US Air Force, with the members on the court and the oath carried over the loudspeakers. The kids got a big ovation and some people even started a USA, USA chant. This is a patriotic area. Good luck to them.

The NA was sung by two young women (I think they were SU students). Whoever they were, they did a unique a capella rendition that was nicely arranged and sung beautifully. They also received a strong ovation, which was well deserved. I don't know who is choosing the NA singers but they continue to do a hell of a job.

At some point in the 2nd half, Mr Excitement noted the presence of some members of the 10th Mountain Division from Fort Drum, a division that continues to grow ties to Syracuse University. They are apparently going to be deployed to Afganistan soon. When this was announced, they received a loud, rousing standing ovation. This is a patriotic area.

Some other minutia: I don't know what is going on with male cheerleaders at SU but only one was present today, which meant 4 female cheerleaders were pressed into service when the giant S and smaller C, U, S and E flags made their traditional appearance during the pregame activities (the guy carried the S flag). When the traditional running of the flags was done at the 4 minute time out, the male cheerleader carried the C flag and three females carried U, S and E. No S flag at all. If we lost, I believe the loss could be traced back to this exact moment.

Let's talk some basketball. As is it's wont, SU got off to another slow start in a big game at the Dome. Pitt did a good job getting the ball into the paint and making that great last pass to get an easy layup, dunk or foul. JB called a TO, put BMK in to stop and bleeding and he again responded. The big difference was SU stopped aggressively covering the guy with the ball in the middle of the paint, left him somewhat alone and stayed with the Pitt players on the sides of the lane down low. This confounded Pitt and made a big dent in their ability to score inside. This strategy continued once RC came back in and Pitt struggled to score the rest of the half.

CJ was covered by Patterson almost all game, which should have been of interest to everyone with a vote for ACC player of the year. CJ beat him badly a few times to get SU back in the game, but Patterson adjusted and it was tough going for CJ, who wasn't shut down but was certainly restricted from that point forward.

I thought Patterson was the best player on the court today. Pitt ran their offense through him, he passed the ball really well and did a nice job on the boards, He was easily Pitt's best scoring threat and only outside shooter. Doesn't have a quick release but hurt us badly in one big 2 minute stretch of uncharacteristically bad SU defense that got them back into the game. And of course, he played really good defense on CJ.

Syracuse blew a chance to finish the 1st half well. CJ missed 2 FTs on a technical and Silent G made an awful turnover late, which left Pitt much closer than they should have been. But SU got off to a strong start in the 2nd half and looked to have the game in hand until the combination of Patterson exploding and Pitt's shocking move to a 2-3 zone. That move worked out great for Pitt as SU did a really bad job attacking it and stopping scoring for a long time.

This frosh year for TE has been kind of legendary from day one. His brilliant play in Ottawa was a huge key in SU's rousing comeback win against Carleton. He has continued to play well all year, but always play his best when he is needed the most. It is kind of shocking to see a frosh play the role of the go to guy and to be fair to CJ, the role has certainly been shared this season (CJ has made a LOT of big plays himself). But today, TE took over the game, made two huge baskets when SU absolutely had to score and essentially iced the game with 2 big FTs.

The bipolar nature of RC's season continues; he recovered from a not so great game against BC with a solid game today. His ability to finish inside with a solid, confidence power move is impressive; he has become an important part of the offense. His ability to block shots and intimidate on defense is also huge (Zanna was terrified of them and reduced to shooting jumpers from 14 feet most of the game). BMK is not a threat on offense but he does contribute with his ability to get offensive rebounds (seems like a different person rebounding on the defensive side; weird). And he played good defense as well. I also wanted to credit him for passing up a good chance to score inside to kick the ball outside to his bestest buddy TC for a 3 from the corner. I could almost feel Hop's joy at this from my seat in 310.

Grant made another spectacular follow dunk, hit a couple of jumpers, made some nice drives and drew some fouls. Got a block or two again, as usual. Don't think his rebounding was as good as it has been in recent games, which was a problem as no one seemed to rebound well, at least on the defensive end, in the 2nd half, when Pitt was absolutely terrible running their half court offense but was rescued repeatedly by their prowess on the offensive boards.

Patterson did a good job overplaying CJ's left hand, and Pitt doubled him every time he got the ball near the paint, which ended up slowing down CJ some, but he didn't force shots or get frustrated.

Silent G didn't get a lot of PT, didn't do much, but I thought his defense was good in limited minutes. Heck, not many got PT in the 2nd half as JB went ultra conservative and didn't sub until RC got in foul trouble towards the end of the game. No play for TR or the other sons.

Some kid in the student section who calls himself Orange Knight participated in a shooting contest. He had an orange cape on and an orange devil mask, which he declined to remove when he was shooting. Did well, got all the way to the half court shot. His one try narrowly missed going in off the backboard.

I am not a big guy to blame refs for losses and of course, SU didn't lose this one but wow, I thought this crew was pretty inconsistent and weak. Missed a lot of calls both ways but my biggest concern is that they let both teams play most of the game...it was like the rule changes put in this year had been canceled. That was not a good development for SU and really helped Pitt, who wasn't nearly as clutchy and grabby as in prior years, but still did a lot of contact, discrete shoves, etc. Hope the crews in the ACC uphold the rules and stop Pitt from contining their long term campaign, with the aid of Butler and UL, to ruin the game of college basketball with their defensive tactics.

I also thought this was one of those days when every bounce and call seemed to go Pitt's way, much like every break in the UNC game went our way. Some of the offensive rebounds Pitt got were well earned but a lot of them were just blind luck when a bricked shot bounced in a bizarre direction directly to an out of position Panther. It is a great sign when your team doesn't play really well (especially on offense), doesn't rebound, doesn't get any breaks and still finds a way to win.

I submit that a lot of good SU teams in the recent past would have lost this game. The fact that this one didn't is a really good sign. Also like winning more games against Pitt, it was embarrassing that for a brief period of time they would claim that they were a better program (at least in terms of head to head matchups).

The rematch in Pittsburgh is going to be something special.
 
I always enjoy Tom's post game reviews, they are always accurate descriptions of what happened. Today was no exception. I also like his post game notes because he pays attention to ambiance (the crowd's tone, the performance of the national anthems, the presence of the bands, student turnouts, etc. Today we saw members of the armed forces honored (the 10th Mountain Division from Fort Drum) and the crowd, per usual was very warm towards them (as Tom said, this is a very patriotic area). He also mentioned that around 20 Air Force recruits were sworn in at center court before the Anthem. While there has been an increasing presence of military culture at SU sporting events over the past decade, I thought this Air Force ceremony was a bit over the top. We were being asked to honor these young people because they were signing up to serve in the U.S. Air Force. Advertising takes lots of forms these days (and the Dome atmosphere is saturated with advertising, blatent, obnoxious and sneaky), but if the Air Force didn't pay a ton of money to showcase this recruiting yield, they should have. 30,000 were actually listening in to the oath of service like it was a prayer or an analogy to the commitment our boys were making before going into battle with Pitt. I hope this doesn't become a regular pre-game ritual, but money talks and the Air Force already has quite a presence SU's campus. It is hard to get your money's worth in advertising these days. Product placement depends on a receptive context. When people are expecting the national anthem before a basketball game, it is a great spot for a military recruiting pitch--and as Tom says, CNY is a very patriotic area.
Sorry. Can't read a block of text like that. Hope I didn't miss anything good.
 
I always enjoy Tom's post game reviews, they are always accurate descriptions of what happened. Today was no exception. I also like his post game notes because he pays attention to ambiance (the crowd's tone, the performance of the national anthems, the presence of the bands, student turnouts, etc.)

Today we saw members of the armed forces honored (the 10th Mountain Division from Fort Drum) and the crowd, per usual was very warm towards them (as Tom said, this is a very patriotic area). He also mentioned that around 20 Air Force recruits were sworn in at center court before the Anthem. While there has been an increasing presence of military culture at SU sporting events over the past decade, I thought this Air Force ceremony was over the top.

We were being asked to honor these young people because they were signing up to serve in the U.S. Air Force. Advertising takes lots of forms these days (and the Dome atmosphere is saturated with advertising, blatent, obnoxious and sneaky), but if the Air Force didn't pay a ton of money to showcase this recruiting yield, they should have. 30,000 were actually listening in to the oath of service like it was a prayer or an analogy to the commitment our boys were making before going into battle with Pitt.

I hope this doesn't become a regular pre-game ritual, but money talks and the Air Force already has quite a presence SU's campus. It is hard to get your money's worth in advertising these days. Product placement depends on a receptive context. When people are expecting the national anthem before a basketball game, it is a great spot for a military recruiting pitch--and as Tom says, CNY is a very patriotic area.
Sorry. Can't read a block of text like that. Hope I didn't miss anything good.
 
I always enjoy Tom's post game reviews, they are always accurate descriptions of what happened. Today was no exception. I also like his post game notes because he pays attention to ambiance (the crowd's tone, the performance of the national anthems, the presence of the bands, student turnouts, etc.)

Today we saw members of the armed forces honored (the 10th Mountain Division from Fort Drum) and the crowd, per usual was very warm towards them (as Tom said, this is a very patriotic area). He also mentioned that around 20 Air Force recruits were sworn in at center court before the Anthem. While there has been an increasing presence of military culture at SU sporting events over the past decade, I thought this Air Force ceremony was over the top.

We were being asked to honor these young people because they were signing up to serve in the U.S. Air Force. Advertising takes lots of forms these days (and the Dome atmosphere is saturated with advertising, blatent, obnoxious and sneaky), but if the Air Force didn't pay a ton of money to showcase this recruiting yield, they should have. 30,000 were actually listening in to the oath of service like it was a prayer or an analogy to the commitment our boys were making before going into battle with Pitt.

I hope this doesn't become a regular pre-game ritual, but money talks and the Air Force already has quite a presence SU's campus. It is hard to get your money's worth in advertising these days. Product placement depends on a receptive context. When people are expecting the national anthem before a basketball game, it is a great spot for a military recruiting pitch--and as Tom says, CNY is a very patriotic area.
Thanks for reformatting. Good food for thought.
 
I always enjoy Tom's post game reviews, they are always accurate descriptions of what happened. Today was no exception. I also like his post game notes because he pays attention to ambiance (the crowd's tone, the performance of the national anthems, the presence of the bands, student turnouts, etc. Today we saw members of the armed forces honored (the 10th Mountain Division from Fort Drum) and the crowd, per usual was very warm towards them (as Tom said, this is a very patriotic area). He also mentioned that around 20 Air Force recruits were sworn in at center court before the Anthem. While there has been an increasing presence of military culture at SU sporting events over the past decade, I thought this Air Force ceremony was a bit over the top. We were being asked to honor these young people because they were signing up to serve in the U.S. Air Force. Advertising takes lots of forms these days (and the Dome atmosphere is saturated with advertising, blatent, obnoxious and sneaky), but if the Air Force didn't pay a ton of money to showcase this recruiting yield, they should have. 30,000 were actually listening in to the oath of service like it was a prayer or an analogy to the commitment our boys were making before going into battle with Pitt. I hope this doesn't become a regular pre-game ritual, but money talks and the Air Force already has quite a presence SU's campus. It is hard to get your money's worth in advertising these days. Product placement depends on a receptive context. When people are expecting the national anthem before a basketball game, it is a great spot for a military recruiting pitch--and as Tom says, CNY is a very patriotic area.
I'm sorry but I must disagree. Any opportunity we have to loudly acknowledge people for their service to their community should be taken.
 
I was glad to see the old shooting contest come back- the lay-up, free throw-three point- half court thing. That was always more interesting than the easy chair contest and even the kids in the oversized uniforms.
 
More like a "C" game, IMO.

Otherwise, agree 100% with your post.
A lot of that is because we are playing Pitt. It is never going to be a thing of beauty like the NC game. It's just the way they play. With that said, i agree 100% with Tom earlier that many other SU teams would have lost this game when we got down 3 late.
 
My take is Fair was a little off with Pitt. Ennis scoring 6 points at the end of the game was huge. Ennis was snapping the net on his free-throws. That was just amazing for a freshmen in the biggest game of his life. I still think Fair is the go-to guy and the end of games. But I think Ennis is now the second go-to guy. Ennis rising up for this game really bodes well for us down the road this season.
 
Don't know that it's fair to label Rak as Jekkyl & Hyde ...from my perspective he's played really well and is the "victim" of two ongoing trends in Syracuse basketball:

1) our players cannot/will not feed the post;

2) failure of the coaches to recognize the limitations of a zone and blame Rak for "mental" errors when they are really just 2-on-1s created by the nature of the defense against good ball movement.

We've had really good guard-play, but for some reason only 2010 with Arinze did we feed the post. You could argue that we haven't had top post players, but let's be honest, not everyone has Wilt Chamberlain down low and probably 95% of teams do a better job of this than us. It must be systemic. Even Ennis will look off Rak when he's got good position established. The system works, but can't blame the center when his entire offense is based off put backs. Sometimes the ball doesn't bounce your way.

In the zone, the 5 is the last line of defense and often gets put in bad positions which can lead to two things that often get Rak and other centers pulled that aren't their fault:

1) the in-the-paint 2-on-1 where the offense has hit the foul-line but the defensive wing hasn't collapsed yet...essentially the center must hedge and either give up a dunk or a wide open 15 footer. It's not the centers fault, and sometimes you'll see the coaches appropriately blame the wing, but it's often the center who unnecessarily takes the heat

2) defensive rotation that invariably takes the 5 out of rebounding position...in fact, the 2-3 almost guarantees the center won't be getting the rebound, since most rebounds go to the other side of the rim and the 5 is usually defending on the ball-side. This is one reason we can't afford to have a 6'-4" guy in the 3 spot, and why we were so good in '03 since Melo was the best small forward rebounder of all time. There are even scenarios where the 5 is stuck flying out on a three in the corner, etc etc.

The good news, from my perspective, is Rak is playing so well lately that thèse issues seem to be getting trumped by how well he's playing.
 
I always enjoy Tom's post game reviews, they are always accurate descriptions of what happened. Today was no exception. I also like his post game notes because he pays attention to ambiance (the crowd's tone, the performance of the national anthems, the presence of the bands, student turnouts, etc. Today we saw members of the armed forces honored (the 10th Mountain Division from Fort Drum) and the crowd, per usual was very warm towards them (as Tom said, this is a very patriotic area). He also mentioned that around 20 Air Force recruits were sworn in at center court before the Anthem. While there has been an increasing presence of military culture at SU sporting events over the past decade, I thought this Air Force ceremony was a bit over the top. We were being asked to honor these young people because they were signing up to serve in the U.S. Air Force. Advertising takes lots of forms these days (and the Dome atmosphere is saturated with advertising, blatent, obnoxious and sneaky), but if the Air Force didn't pay a ton of money to showcase this recruiting yield, they should have. 30,000 were actually listening in to the oath of service like it was a prayer or an analogy to the commitment our boys were making before going into battle with Pitt. I hope this doesn't become a regular pre-game ritual, but money talks and the Air Force already has quite a presence SU's campus. It is hard to get your money's worth in advertising these days. Product placement depends on a receptive context. When people are expecting the national anthem before a basketball game, it is a great spot for a military recruiting pitch--and as Tom says, CNY is a very patriotic area.

I didn't particularly care for it, and I am patriotic. It felt intrusive, both to them and to us.
 
2) defensive rotation that invariably takes the 5 out of rebounding position...in fact, the 2-3 almost guarantees the center won't be getting the rebound, since most rebounds go to the other side of the rim and the 5 is usually defending on the ball-side. This is one reason we can't afford to have a 6'-4" guy in the 3 spot, and why we were so good in '03 since Melo was the best small forward rebounder of all time. There are even scenarios where the 5 is stuck flying out on a three in the corner, etc etc.

I agree with you on the rebounding issue. The 2-3 makes it very difficult. But I love the way the 2-3 zone does sideline, corner, and under the basket 3-people traps. I love the way the Orange use their length and athleticism to get into the passing lanes for deflections and turnovers. The 2-3 zone forces teams to use read-react type motion offenses. Most teams do not practice motion offenses. I generally like the 2-3 defense because statistically it wins.

I think what JB does during a game is if a player does one thing one way and it results in a basket, JB then yells at the player to do something else. If the other thing doesn't work, JB yells at the player to do the first thing. I think it's a little ambiguous to what is the correct action. I think JB likes it this way. He forces his players to change they way their are playing based on what the opposing team is doing. So what happens during the game is the 2-3 zone morphs into a configuration best suited to stop the current team's particular strengths which may change during the game. Again, generally I really like JBs 2-3 defense. It's very difficult to teach. But it's really crazy how effective JBs 2-3 zone has become.

Miami was using a 2-2-1 matchup zone against us last game. It's very easy to teach and very effective. I am really surprise more teams do not use it more. Michigan State beat UK using a 2-2-1 matchup zone. The Orange beat Miami but it took them almost the whole game to get good at beating it. And the 2-2-1 does better on rebounding because you have two guys in the high post instead of one center. I am concerned about the Miami game. I think the Orange will do better this time because they have the last games experience against the 2-2-1.


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Dave85 said:
I agree with you on the rebounding issue. The 2-3 makes it very difficult. But I love the way the 2-3 zone does sideline, corner, and under the basket 3-people traps. I love the way the Orange use their length and athleticism to get into the passing lanes for deflections and turnovers. The 2-3 zone forces teams to use read-react type motion offenses. Most teams do not practice motion offenses. I generally like the 2-3 defense because statistically it wins. I think what JB does during a game is if a player does one thing one way and it results in a basket, JB then yells at the player to do something else. If the other thing doesn't work, JB yells at the player to do the first thing. I think it's a little ambiguous to what is the correct action. I think JB likes it this way. He forces his players to change they way their are playing based on what the opposing team is doing. So what happens during the game is the 2-3 zone morphs into a configuration best suited to stop the current team's particular strengths which may change during the game. Again, generally I really like JBs 2-3 defense. It's very difficult to teach. But it's really crazy how effective JBs 2-3 zone has become. Miami was using a 2-2-1 matchup zone against us last game. It's very easy to teach and very effective. I am really surprise more teams do not use it more. Michigan State beat UK using a 2-2-1 matchup zone. The Orange beat Miami but it took them almost the whole game to get good at beating it. And the 2-2-1 does better on rebounding because you have two guys in the high post instead of one center. I am concerned about the Miami game. I think the Orange will do better this time because they have the last games experience against the 2-2-1.


Agreed, was not bashing the zone, only pointing out the it's limitations has the most dramatic effect on young centers development because they often get blamed for things that are not their fault.

As for the zone, I will take 25-30 win seasons with fun tournament runs (conference and NCAA!) for as long as it works!

I think it's also true that both our offense and defense have become better, more sophisticated over the last several years.

To be unbiased, I'll provide an example of how our guards can be unfairly blamed in the zone: They give up a 26 foot shot from the top or off-set area...maybe you'd give that up in man too, depends on the matchup. But in the zone, you give up that wide open, feet-set three with the guard 4 feet off because that guard is mind-ful that he's going to have to release and get to the wing if the guy he's guarding hits the foul-line and there's a kickout. The 26 footer is probably better to give up than the 21 footer on the wing, but it's still a "decision" forced by the style of defense that then gets the individual pulled from the game.

Basically, it's very possible to overload the zone and that guard can't play the guy 26 feet out AND get to that wing on a bang-bang kickout...but you'll always see JB throwing his Towl on either shot if it goes in. Young guards used to man have a real problem with it (Johnny Flynn?)

It's especially easier to do this when you've got a guy that we're worried about. Buzz and Dixon are two of the coaches who've learned to do this, in essence forcing JB to make his zone more flexible, which to his credit he's done
 
I thought Patterson was the best player on the court today. Pitt ran their offense through him, he passed the ball really well and did a nice job on the boards, He was easily Pitt's best scoring threat and only outside shooter. Doesn't have a quick release but hurt us badly in one big 2 minute stretch of uncharacteristically bad SU defense that got them back into the game. And of course, he played really good defense on CJ..

I agree with you for 37.5 minutes.

But Patterson did NOT want the ball in the last 2ish minutes. He looked like a scaredy cat, for lack of a better word.
 

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