SWC75
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For the last several years I’ve been making monthly posts for baseball keeping track of who is leading each league in base production, (total batting bases +walks + steals) and run production, (runs scored + runs batted in minus home runs so they don’t get counted twice). I’ve also used those stats for my series on the history of the sport to identify the most historically productive players. I’m going to be starting a similar series for basketball soon and I thought I’d start doing monthly NBA posts using my “net points” formula: points + rebounds +assists + steals + blocks – missed field goals –missed free throws – turnovers – fouls. Since we don’t have two leagues, I’ll keep track of the top 25 players. I’ve also decided to break out the players averages per 48 minutes of play, (the length of an NBA game).
Players don’t actually average 48 minutes per game, (BasketballReference.com keeps track of averages per 36 minutes as that’s closer to what a star player will average). But they could play that much in a tight game. These numbers represent what they are capable of doing when their team really needs them to produce. The players are ranked based on total net points. The averages are just a breakdown of their individual skills. I do show the NP per 40 minutes at the end of each line but I’ll ranked them based on the total NP because that’s not a projection based on a rate of production..
Here is a breakdown of what I’ve typed in each case with LeBron James in October as an example: LeBron played 7 games and 259 minutes in those games, an average of 37.0 minutes per game (m). He scored 172 points (p), grabbed 52 rebounds (r ), passed for 60 assists (a), stole 7 balls (s) and blocked 8 shots (b). He attempted 116 field goals and made 68, so he missed 48 (mfg). He attempted 32 free throws and made 25, missing 7 (mft). He had 28 turnovers (to) and 11 personal fouls (pf). I add the positives and subtract the negatives to get 397 net points. I divide 48 by the 539 minutes and multiply each stat by the result. I come up with this:
LeBron James CLE 37.0m 31.9p 9.6r 11.1a 1.3s 1.5b 8.9mfg 1.3mft 5.2to 2.0pf 205NP (38.0)
AFTER NOVEMBER
LeBron James CLE………….37.0m 36.3p 10.6r 11.0a 1.7s 1.5b 10.1mfg 1.7mft 5.2to 2.4pf 707NP (41.7)
James Harden HOU……….38.1m 35.9p 6.9r 13.0a 1.8s 1.7b 15.4mfg 1.7mft 6.2to 3.5pf 600NP (38.1)
Anthony Davis NO…………35.1m 35.0p 15.1r 3.7a 1.6s 2.4b 9.5mfg 2.3mft 3.0to 2.7pf 588NP (40.3)
G. Antetokounmopo MIL.37.2m 37.6p 13.0r 5.8a 2.2s 2.3b 11.8mfg 2.7mft 3.6to 4.6pf 563NP (38.2)
DeMarcus Cousins NO…. 35.5m 33.9p 16.9r 7.3a 2.2s 2.1b 13.6mfg 2.4mft 7.0to 5.2pf 537NP (34.6)
Karl-Anthony Towns MIN 34.3m 28.5p 16.3r 2.2a 0.7s 1.8b 9.7mfg 0.8mft 2.9to 4.8pf 492NP (31.3)
Steph Curry GS……………….32.6m 38.4p 7.7r 9.3a 2.5s 0.3b 13.8mfg 0.6mft 4.5to 3.6pf 485NP (35.7)
Damian Lillard POR…………36.5m 36.7p 6.6r 8.1a 1.3s 0.7b 14.4mfg 0.8mft 4.0to 2.9pf 483NP (28.8)
LeMarcus Aldridge SA…….33.3m 33.3p 11.8t 3.3a 0.9s 1.9b 11.9mfg 1.3mft 2.1to 3.4pf 472NP (32.4)
Nicola Jokic DEN……………..29.4m 25.2p 17.3r7.5a 2.3s 1.0b 9.2mfg 0.6mft 3.6to 3.9pf 464NP (36.0)
Andre Drummond DET….. 33.1m 20.7p 22.0r 5.4a 2.2s 1.7b 6.8mfg 2.5mft 4.9to 4.6pf 456NP (33.1)
Russell Westbrook OKC…. 35.3m 30.4p 12.4r 12.8a 3.0s 0.1b 15.4mfg 2.6mft 6.4to 3.7pf 452NP (30.7)
Kevin Love CLE………………. 29.6m 30.7p 16.7r 3.1a 1.2s 0.7b 11.3mfg 1.0mft 3.5to 4.1pf 441NP (32.5)
Clint Capela HOU…………… 25.9m 25.5p 21.0r 2.5a 1.4s 3.2b 5.4mfg 1.9mft 3.0to 5.1pf 430NP (38.0)
Kyrie Irving BOS…………….. 31.7m 35.4p 5.0r 7.9a 2.3s 0.4b 13.9mfg 1.0mft 3.3to 3.3pf 427NP (29.4)
Ben Simmons ORL…………. 35.6m 25.0p 12.6r 9.7a 3.0s 1.1b 10.0mfg 3.4mft 5.0to 3.4pf 439NP (29.6)
Kevin Durant GS….………….34.6m 34.6p 9.5r 6.5a 1.1s 2.8b 11.5mfg 1.0mft 4.9to 3.2pf 415NP (33.8)
Al Horford BOS.…………….. 32.4m 20.6p 12.0r 7.2a 0.9s 1.5b 6.7mfg 0.6mf t 3.5to 2.4pf 411NP (28.9)
Aaron Gordon ORL………… 32.9m 27.1p 12.2r 3.1a 1.5s 1.3b 9.1mfg 1.5mft 2.1to 2.8pf 408NP (29.8)
Joel Embid PHI………………. 29.6m 37.3p 18.4r 5.3a 1.2s 2.9b 13.7mfg 3.0mft 6.6to 5.9pf 398NP (35.9)
Nikola Vucevic ORL……….. 29.8m 26.5p 13.6r 4.9a 1.5s 1.5b 11.9mfg 0.6mft 2.9to 3.9pf 392NP (28.7)
Victor Oladipo IND………… 33.1m 33.1p 7.2r 5.6a 2.6s 1.5b 13.5mfg 1.5mft 4.7to 3.8pf385NP (26.6)
Kyle Lowry TOR……………… 32.6m 24.6P 9.2r 10.2a 1.3s 0.2b 9.5mfg 0.4mft 3.8to 3.5pf 384NP (28.3)
Blake Griffin LAC……………. 35.8m 31.6p 10.6r 6.8a 1.3s 0.4b 14.3mfg 2.1mft 4.0to 3.4pf 380NP (26.8)
DeMar DeRozan TOR…….. 34.3m 32.6p 6.0r 6.6a 1.7s 0.2b 12.5mfg 1.9mft 3.8to 2.6pf 375NP (26.2)
SU Players
Carmelo Anthony OKC…….32.5m 29.1p 9.2r 2.3a 1.3s 1.1b 14.4mfg 1.2mft 2.5to 4.3pf 266 (20.7)
Jerami Grant OKC……………22.5m 18.4p 8.3r 2.1a 1.6s 1.9b 6.1mfg 1.6mft 2.2to 4.9pf 164NP (17.5)
Dion Waiters MIA……………31.4m 23.6p 4.2r 5.8a 1.4s 0.4b 13.8mfg 0.8mft 4.5to 3.6pf 160NP (12.9)
Wes Johnson LAC…………….25.2m 14.8p 7.0r 1.9a 2.0s 1.9b 6.0mfg 0.6mmft 1.8to 4.6pf 153NP (14.6)
Michael Carter-Williams CHA 17.4m 13.4p 7.9r 7.6a 3.1s 0.9b 10.4mfg 1.8mft 4.0to 6.1pf 35NP (10.7)
Malachi Richardson SAC…. 11.7m 16.1p 3.8r 2.1a 2.1s 0.0b 9.3mfg 1.0mft 1.0to 4.8pf 23NP (7.9)
Tyler Ennis LAL…………………5.6m 15.4p 6.0r 6.9a 3.4s 0.9b 10.3mfg 0.0mft 2.6to 4.3pf 18NP (15.4)
Tyler Lydon DEN……………….Played 2 minutes in one game and had no other statistics.
Comments:
- LeBron James seems to be on a mission. His final line last year was this:
37.8m 33.6p 11.0r 11.1a 1.6s 0.8b 10.4mfg 3.0mft 5.2to 2.3pf 2158NP (37.1)
That’s more points, significantly more blocks fewer and free throws missed for a net NP/40m increase of 4.6.
- Russell Westbrook is still a highly productive player but he isn’t having quite the season he had last year: 34.6m 43.8p 14.8r 14.4a 2.3s 0.5b 19.1mfg 2.2mft 7.5to 3.3pf 2550NP (43.7). His scoring is down by a whopping -13.4, his rebounds by -2.4, his assists by -1.6. He’s also missing fewer shots by 3.7 and had 1.1 fewer turnovers for a net of -13.0. He has to share the ball with Carmelo Anthony and Paul George, two players who arguably aren’t as good, even though they are still productive. Anthony’s stats are above. Here is George: 36.9m 26.7p 7.7r 4.0a 3.6s 0.7b 13.0mfg 0.8mft 3.3to 3.8pf 334NP (21.7).
- Syracuse has had three players in its history play in an NBA final: Billy Gabor in the early 50’s, Dennis Duval for 5 minutes in 1975 and Marty Byrnes for 1 minute in 1980. Not only are none of our players in the top 25 in net points but only two of them are playing on teams with winning records and they are the two who have played the least. I dream of having Tyler Lydon on this year’s SU team, paired with Brissett at the forward position with Howard and Battle in the backcourt, the two centers and Dolezaj coming off the bench. We’d be as good as anybody. But Tyler is making $1,579,440 with the Nuggets and I don’t think we could have matched that.
Players don’t actually average 48 minutes per game, (BasketballReference.com keeps track of averages per 36 minutes as that’s closer to what a star player will average). But they could play that much in a tight game. These numbers represent what they are capable of doing when their team really needs them to produce. The players are ranked based on total net points. The averages are just a breakdown of their individual skills. I do show the NP per 40 minutes at the end of each line but I’ll ranked them based on the total NP because that’s not a projection based on a rate of production..
Here is a breakdown of what I’ve typed in each case with LeBron James in October as an example: LeBron played 7 games and 259 minutes in those games, an average of 37.0 minutes per game (m). He scored 172 points (p), grabbed 52 rebounds (r ), passed for 60 assists (a), stole 7 balls (s) and blocked 8 shots (b). He attempted 116 field goals and made 68, so he missed 48 (mfg). He attempted 32 free throws and made 25, missing 7 (mft). He had 28 turnovers (to) and 11 personal fouls (pf). I add the positives and subtract the negatives to get 397 net points. I divide 48 by the 539 minutes and multiply each stat by the result. I come up with this:
LeBron James CLE 37.0m 31.9p 9.6r 11.1a 1.3s 1.5b 8.9mfg 1.3mft 5.2to 2.0pf 205NP (38.0)
AFTER NOVEMBER
LeBron James CLE………….37.0m 36.3p 10.6r 11.0a 1.7s 1.5b 10.1mfg 1.7mft 5.2to 2.4pf 707NP (41.7)
James Harden HOU……….38.1m 35.9p 6.9r 13.0a 1.8s 1.7b 15.4mfg 1.7mft 6.2to 3.5pf 600NP (38.1)
Anthony Davis NO…………35.1m 35.0p 15.1r 3.7a 1.6s 2.4b 9.5mfg 2.3mft 3.0to 2.7pf 588NP (40.3)
G. Antetokounmopo MIL.37.2m 37.6p 13.0r 5.8a 2.2s 2.3b 11.8mfg 2.7mft 3.6to 4.6pf 563NP (38.2)
DeMarcus Cousins NO…. 35.5m 33.9p 16.9r 7.3a 2.2s 2.1b 13.6mfg 2.4mft 7.0to 5.2pf 537NP (34.6)
Karl-Anthony Towns MIN 34.3m 28.5p 16.3r 2.2a 0.7s 1.8b 9.7mfg 0.8mft 2.9to 4.8pf 492NP (31.3)
Steph Curry GS……………….32.6m 38.4p 7.7r 9.3a 2.5s 0.3b 13.8mfg 0.6mft 4.5to 3.6pf 485NP (35.7)
Damian Lillard POR…………36.5m 36.7p 6.6r 8.1a 1.3s 0.7b 14.4mfg 0.8mft 4.0to 2.9pf 483NP (28.8)
LeMarcus Aldridge SA…….33.3m 33.3p 11.8t 3.3a 0.9s 1.9b 11.9mfg 1.3mft 2.1to 3.4pf 472NP (32.4)
Nicola Jokic DEN……………..29.4m 25.2p 17.3r7.5a 2.3s 1.0b 9.2mfg 0.6mft 3.6to 3.9pf 464NP (36.0)
Andre Drummond DET….. 33.1m 20.7p 22.0r 5.4a 2.2s 1.7b 6.8mfg 2.5mft 4.9to 4.6pf 456NP (33.1)
Russell Westbrook OKC…. 35.3m 30.4p 12.4r 12.8a 3.0s 0.1b 15.4mfg 2.6mft 6.4to 3.7pf 452NP (30.7)
Kevin Love CLE………………. 29.6m 30.7p 16.7r 3.1a 1.2s 0.7b 11.3mfg 1.0mft 3.5to 4.1pf 441NP (32.5)
Clint Capela HOU…………… 25.9m 25.5p 21.0r 2.5a 1.4s 3.2b 5.4mfg 1.9mft 3.0to 5.1pf 430NP (38.0)
Kyrie Irving BOS…………….. 31.7m 35.4p 5.0r 7.9a 2.3s 0.4b 13.9mfg 1.0mft 3.3to 3.3pf 427NP (29.4)
Ben Simmons ORL…………. 35.6m 25.0p 12.6r 9.7a 3.0s 1.1b 10.0mfg 3.4mft 5.0to 3.4pf 439NP (29.6)
Kevin Durant GS….………….34.6m 34.6p 9.5r 6.5a 1.1s 2.8b 11.5mfg 1.0mft 4.9to 3.2pf 415NP (33.8)
Al Horford BOS.…………….. 32.4m 20.6p 12.0r 7.2a 0.9s 1.5b 6.7mfg 0.6mf t 3.5to 2.4pf 411NP (28.9)
Aaron Gordon ORL………… 32.9m 27.1p 12.2r 3.1a 1.5s 1.3b 9.1mfg 1.5mft 2.1to 2.8pf 408NP (29.8)
Joel Embid PHI………………. 29.6m 37.3p 18.4r 5.3a 1.2s 2.9b 13.7mfg 3.0mft 6.6to 5.9pf 398NP (35.9)
Nikola Vucevic ORL……….. 29.8m 26.5p 13.6r 4.9a 1.5s 1.5b 11.9mfg 0.6mft 2.9to 3.9pf 392NP (28.7)
Victor Oladipo IND………… 33.1m 33.1p 7.2r 5.6a 2.6s 1.5b 13.5mfg 1.5mft 4.7to 3.8pf385NP (26.6)
Kyle Lowry TOR……………… 32.6m 24.6P 9.2r 10.2a 1.3s 0.2b 9.5mfg 0.4mft 3.8to 3.5pf 384NP (28.3)
Blake Griffin LAC……………. 35.8m 31.6p 10.6r 6.8a 1.3s 0.4b 14.3mfg 2.1mft 4.0to 3.4pf 380NP (26.8)
DeMar DeRozan TOR…….. 34.3m 32.6p 6.0r 6.6a 1.7s 0.2b 12.5mfg 1.9mft 3.8to 2.6pf 375NP (26.2)
SU Players
Carmelo Anthony OKC…….32.5m 29.1p 9.2r 2.3a 1.3s 1.1b 14.4mfg 1.2mft 2.5to 4.3pf 266 (20.7)
Jerami Grant OKC……………22.5m 18.4p 8.3r 2.1a 1.6s 1.9b 6.1mfg 1.6mft 2.2to 4.9pf 164NP (17.5)
Dion Waiters MIA……………31.4m 23.6p 4.2r 5.8a 1.4s 0.4b 13.8mfg 0.8mft 4.5to 3.6pf 160NP (12.9)
Wes Johnson LAC…………….25.2m 14.8p 7.0r 1.9a 2.0s 1.9b 6.0mfg 0.6mmft 1.8to 4.6pf 153NP (14.6)
Michael Carter-Williams CHA 17.4m 13.4p 7.9r 7.6a 3.1s 0.9b 10.4mfg 1.8mft 4.0to 6.1pf 35NP (10.7)
Malachi Richardson SAC…. 11.7m 16.1p 3.8r 2.1a 2.1s 0.0b 9.3mfg 1.0mft 1.0to 4.8pf 23NP (7.9)
Tyler Ennis LAL…………………5.6m 15.4p 6.0r 6.9a 3.4s 0.9b 10.3mfg 0.0mft 2.6to 4.3pf 18NP (15.4)
Tyler Lydon DEN……………….Played 2 minutes in one game and had no other statistics.
Comments:
- LeBron James seems to be on a mission. His final line last year was this:
37.8m 33.6p 11.0r 11.1a 1.6s 0.8b 10.4mfg 3.0mft 5.2to 2.3pf 2158NP (37.1)
That’s more points, significantly more blocks fewer and free throws missed for a net NP/40m increase of 4.6.
- Russell Westbrook is still a highly productive player but he isn’t having quite the season he had last year: 34.6m 43.8p 14.8r 14.4a 2.3s 0.5b 19.1mfg 2.2mft 7.5to 3.3pf 2550NP (43.7). His scoring is down by a whopping -13.4, his rebounds by -2.4, his assists by -1.6. He’s also missing fewer shots by 3.7 and had 1.1 fewer turnovers for a net of -13.0. He has to share the ball with Carmelo Anthony and Paul George, two players who arguably aren’t as good, even though they are still productive. Anthony’s stats are above. Here is George: 36.9m 26.7p 7.7r 4.0a 3.6s 0.7b 13.0mfg 0.8mft 3.3to 3.8pf 334NP (21.7).
- Syracuse has had three players in its history play in an NBA final: Billy Gabor in the early 50’s, Dennis Duval for 5 minutes in 1975 and Marty Byrnes for 1 minute in 1980. Not only are none of our players in the top 25 in net points but only two of them are playing on teams with winning records and they are the two who have played the least. I dream of having Tyler Lydon on this year’s SU team, paired with Brissett at the forward position with Howard and Battle in the backcourt, the two centers and Dolezaj coming off the bench. We’d be as good as anybody. But Tyler is making $1,579,440 with the Nuggets and I don’t think we could have matched that.
