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Message: [QUOTE="MikeSU02, post: 4304966, member: 60"] Yeah, a few issues with that thread: - As you noted, the PG trade was to get Kawhi and PG. You do that every time. Kawhi was a top three player coming off that title, if not #1, in the league. - Harden may be a malcontent and may not be his former self, but two things with that: his ceiling was way higher than Donovan's, the dude is infuriating, but he can straight up be an offensive system himself. Second, the Nets were giving KD and Kyrie whatever they wanted and they wanted Harden. So, like my first point, you're doing it for the full star package to keep them happy. - AD, even if his nickname is street clothes, is much more impactful than Donovan. You're also doing it to make Bron happy and have him stay. - As he notes, DJM isn't on the level of those other guys, so it is less than what they got... Obviously. - Gobert is probably an overpay in a vacuum but there are a lot of FOs that LOVE him and measure him as a very important player and Minny has been out of the first round 1x in 33 years. Put a pin in this for a minute. - Jrue Holiday, two things: Jrue holiday traded to the Bucks Nov 2020. Giannis signs max contract Dec 2020. YOU THINK THIS MAY HAVE HAD MORE VALUE BECAUSE IT KEPT GIANNIS IN MILWAUKEE? Also, Jrue Holiday would be like an 8x all star if he played in NY or LA. Ainge is not taking Miami's offer. It's not good enough. The Knicks are negotiating against themselves if they panic. Do not mortgage the future for a guy who is ,at best, a #2 and depreciates Brunson and probably exacerbates Randle's issues. Unless there is the next guy lined up and it is fully dependent on getting Donovan, there is no reason to sell the farm on this. Leon and Wes have shown no ability to attract the absolute elite guys. Also, Thibs cannot coach a team with Donovan and Brunson as the starting back court. It won't work. If you just want to say the Knicks have been bad for so long outside of a couple of blips and it's time to just be competitive, so be it (see the Minny note above). But otherwise we better have the next star lined up that's coming and the next coach to coach them, otherwise this is 45 wins and a 1st round exit level talent. We aren't doing this to make an existing elite talent on the team happy. [/QUOTE]

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