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Message: [QUOTE="IthacaBarrel, post: 4651796, member: 363"] being a Pels fan I think Holiday has been a bit overrated the past few years, no denying he's usually a great reliable defender but he is wildly inconsistent on offense, in all aspects and always has been. he has some really awful games on offense and they aren't few and far between. Not sure I would want him as my primary ball handler anymore either. He's also having to work his tail off on defense which doesn't help. He went from not getting enough "love" to probably too much the past few years. He's also getting older. He and Middleton were shadows of their former selves and all the wings the Bucks went out and got either stink or too old now. Not very athletic. And yeah Bud is as stubborn as they come [/QUOTE]