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Message: [QUOTE="Knicks411, post: 4651885, member: 767"] Holiday is an incredible defender. Like, incredible. Offensively, hit or miss for sure. (I read he has like a 48% career TS in the playoffs with the Bucks) The Bucks are a weird elite team because their franchise player isn't really a #1 on offense. He's not a great iso player, and he's not a great playmaker either. He's just awesome because he overwhelms everyone. But it kinda forces Middleton and Jrue to play up a spot offensively. If Middleton is your #2 offensively, and Holiday you're #3 I think you are probably in pretty good shape. But it's not really fair to say Giannis is their #3 offensively. It's a weird offensive team Even the year they won the title, they were a below average offense in the playoffs. 112.9 offensive rating vs 114.3 league average in the playoffs. But they were, not surprisingly, #1 in defense. [/QUOTE]