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Message: [QUOTE="Knicks411, post: 4667296, member: 767"] Yeah true but I think the point is the rings make up for it. You're right, it is kind of a player empowerment deal, so you better win if you do it! (which is why when I threw out Kyrie my buddy did counter with the 2016 title, which, fair) I don't think you can ever really argue Lebron has come up short in the playoffs in the same way we've seen Embiid or Harden. 2011 finals is fair. (The one playoff series Lebron has ever played in out of 52 where he averaged under 22 points a game) So one time in 20 years or whatever. [/QUOTE]