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Message: [QUOTE="Knicks411, post: 4667996, member: 767"] I am sure this was a factor. Like I said, it seems reasonably close, and it probably ended up being a tie goes to the assumed pre season winner deal Again though, the Nuggets outscored opponents without Melo on the floor, and in fact played better without him on the floor. (This is not evidence that he hurt them or they were better off without him, this is evidence the rest of the roster was decent and better than what was in Cleveland) The Knicks have been out of the playoffs for less than a week and I'm relitigating the 2003 ROY vote. Things are going well [/QUOTE]