NC State Post-Game Discussion

[syrBossHogg]

He’s had 2-1/2 seasons now. How much time? Isn’t he 21 already? You knew ED had “it” the first time he walked on the field. I haven’t seen “it” yet, save for Carolina last year, and even then he threw an INT, but was bailed out by the ineptitude of Fedora.

I’m all in for grad transfer competition, because this shows no signs of getting better, so far.

Dungey had some growing pains

 

[CuyahogaCuse]

Dungey had some growing pains

Growing pains. Indeed. But he always had the intangibles.

I’m just a fan, so what do I know? Right?

But with ED, there was leadership, fire and smart decision making. This year? I just don’t see it.

I’m not giving up on him. Just saying competition might not be a bad thing.

He still has 30-33 games left. Hopefully it gets better.

 

[Bulldog04]

How about the time management or mismanagement from Babers? We needed that third timeout and he wasted it because they weren’t prepared. Extra minute could have changed everything.

And that was after coming off an injury timeout !

 

[blizz]

Don’t think he has the mental side to play QB at this level. I just don’t see the instincts.

Unfortunately I agree with this. I don't see the competitiveness. I see him overly concerned with getting hit. It's not easy to stand in there with those guys and get rocked, but that's what an elite competitor does. Scared to death you don't show it, you stand in and focus on finding a way to win. Sad to say I'm not seeing it with Tommy. I said in the game thread I thought we had it with this kid when he stepped in against Florida State and North Carolina last year and didn't flinch. This year he's looked like a different person out there. Scared and running on fear, not a will to win.

 

[SuRaider307]

Whats funny to me is the offense the last couple of minutes looked like our offense of 2 years ago with erv and co. its the first time we have looked like that since.. maybe Lynch can notice this.. I doubt it but maybe

 

[djorange1989]

Unfortunately I agree with this. I don't see the competitiveness. I see him overly concerned with getting hit. It's not easy to stand in there with those guys and get rocked, but that's what an elite competitor does. Scared to death you don't show it, you stand in and focus on finding a way to win. Sad to say I'm not seeing it with Tommy. I said in the game thread I thought we had it with this kid when he stepped in against Florida State and North Carolina last year and didn't flinch. This year he's looked like a different person out there. Scared and running on fear, not a will to win.

The worst offensive line imaginable and what may be broken or cracked ribs tonight will do that. He isn’t Dungey but he still has potential. The OL is just so hideous and the team has internal issues.

 

[phil77]

Growing pains. Indeed. But he always had the intangibles.

I’m just a fan, so what do I know? Right?

But with ED, there was leadership, fire and smart decision making. This year? I just don’t see it.

I’m not giving up on him. Just saying competition might not be a bad thing.

He still has 30-33 games left. Hopefully it gets better.

Young ED had many flaws so much so half the board wanted him benched before last season. Parts of the season last year were so bad even more people called for him to be benched even Dino benched him some. I love ED as much as the next person and everything he gave for Syracuse but ED has turned into some larger than life folk hero.

No player in college should be counted on to be a leader they are kids and there is such high player turnover from year to year that the leadership responsibilities fall on the coach. We had 6 year senior acting like he never broke up a pass before if he can’t provide leadership then nobody will. If the team lacks focus and leadership it is on the coach.

 

[cuse10]

He’s had 2-1/2 seasons now. How much time? Isn’t he 21 already? You knew ED had “it” the first time he walked on the field. I haven’t seen “it” yet, save for Carolina last year, and even then he threw an INT, but was bailed out by the ineptitude of Fedora.

I’m all in for grad transfer competition, because this shows no signs of getting better, so far.

Playing in practice is much different than playing against 1st team defense vs P5 schools. The same defense Fedora had looks better with Mack Brown. Time for me a take a break from this board. A delusional fanbase that wallows in misery and pity.

 

[Mchandl8]

Growing pains. Indeed. But he always had the intangibles.

I’m just a fan, so what do I know? Right?

But with ED, there was leadership, fire and smart decision making. This year? I just don’t see it.

I’m not giving up on him. Just saying competition might not be a bad thing.

He still has 30-33 games left. Hopefully it gets better.

My dad and I looked at each other ED's first start and said that QB is good... with Devito... we feel the opposite. Not saying were all knowing or what not, it's just we could see a good college qb vs a bad one and right now Tommy is sub par

 

[OttoinGrotto]

How people are defending Devitos play is baffling to me. Not talking about him as a person here just his straight up ability to lead a team, decision making, toughness, filed awareness and ability to move the chains. I certainly don’t wish injury on anyone but I hope what i see is him playing with an injury like broken ribs or something. If not, very concerned

It's pretty clear based on the snow tire they had to put around DeVito's mid-section and how quick he is to try to slide and protect himself that he's playing injured. That's not toughness?

And his o-line rewarded him for going out there by giving up 8 sacks or something?

I mean... yeah, would have been good if he didn't eat that last one. But we're letting teams beat the Hell out of him.

 

[bothsocksup]

Two not very good teams played tonight. My concern is the talent coming in. Are we recruiting at a high level?

 

[Mchandl8]

It's pretty clear based on the snow tire they had to put around DeVito's mid-section and how quick he is to try to slide and protect himself that he's playing injured. That's not toughness?

And his o-line rewarded him for going out there by giving up 8 sacks or something?

I mean... yeah, would have been good if he didn't eat that last one. But we're letting teams beat the Hell out of him.

Hes been doing that all year, any sign of pressure... fall. People need to wake up... he is currently not a good qb. Below average. The delusional optimism because he was rated well as a recruit despite what you see on the field is crazy... Hes played well against Western Mich (who has a terrible D apparently) and Holy Cross... Hes not "young" hes In his third year and it was his 6th start... I hope he figures it out, but he may just be (in NCAA Football Terms) a flop

 

[Mchandl8]

Two not very good teams played tonight. My concern is the talent coming in. Are we recruiting at a high level?

Nope

 

[SuRaider307]

I need to say something about the OL that most don't notice... 75% of the time Servais is being pushed strait back into Tommy or getting beat on a swim move. As a Tackle he is used to backing up and not using his lower body strength the same way a center would. Tommy has to be backing up and and because of this pressure up the middle he cant step up into the pocket.. Its so bad now, that a change need to be made at center... I would even try a freshman at this point that is how bad it is.. Sure the tackles get beat occasionally, but the majority of issues can be traced back to Servais.. He needs help from a guard so when teams blitz guess what? Yep they blitz in the gap that's left by the side the guard is helping Servais from.. its a free run at the QB and has been happening all year.. you cant zone pass protect if you need your center to have help most plays becasue he is being pushed strait back easily.. There is no way the OL coach is not seeing this.. its killing me watching it with no attempt at a change even if its just to see what happens

 

[tipphill]

He blew up at Devito and was benched. Which is what I wanted to post about. Dino has to keep this team together. Moments like this can fractur e a locker room and the last thing they need is poor off field chemistry.

i am betting its already there. i also believe devito will not stay at su if he continues to take a beating like this year. i am not sold on devito by any means. however i do not doubt his toughness, but does not appear to have leadership skills, with this team.
this ol is totally lost and just stinks.they just do not have talent. top that off with lacking fundamentals ---devito has nothing to rely on.

 

[tipphill]

Unfortunately I agree with this. I don't see the competitiveness. I see him overly concerned with getting hit. It's not easy to stand in there with those guys and get rocked, but that's what an elite competitor does. Scared to death you don't show it, you stand in and focus on finding a way to win. Sad to say I'm not seeing it with Tommy. I said in the game thread I thought we had it with this kid when he stepped in against Florida State and North Carolina last year and didn't flinch. This year he's looked like a different person out there. Scared and running on fear, not a will to win.

i agree. at this point he is injured and it is totally understandable re his fear of getting hit. however he has had that fear all season,perhaps told to avoid contact by dino.
devito appears to come in and expect total protection and just throw the ball the around as he chooses. i am sure he has great passing talent, and would thrive with a offensive line that could protect him. that is not the case, and does not have the instincts to make the best of it. he is not a leader---but i believe the coaching staff has contributed to this
to me, devito seems to be victim of lack of self awareness and very bad coaching of him by dino and co. i believe they have stunted his maturity, and not given him an opportunity to grow.
this offense,and coaching at all levels has been grossly inept. talent is not there but even worse coaching has been catastrophic .
its crunch for dino lets see how he responds-----

 

[shu 49]

Babers needs to find a way to replace Alexander on the OL.

Serv was by far the worst. He had a Conway esk game at Nd type. He was terrible.

 

[CsonkaStash]

It's pretty clear based on the snow tire they had to put around DeVito's mid-section and how quick he is to try to slide and protect himself that he's playing injured. That's not toughness?

And his o-line rewarded him for going out there by giving up 8 sacks or something?

I mean... yeah, would have been good if he didn't eat that last one. But we're letting teams beat the Hell out of him.

All 8 of those sacks are not even close to being on the OL. Devito’s decision making ability is what really concerns me, including the last sack which is really unbelievable

 

[Newhouser]

Was Cordy's yapping today any worse than what Bradley Chubb did against us 2 years ago?

Chubb wasn't behind 13-0

 

[Millhouse]

Don’t think he has the mental side to play QB at this level. I just don’t see the instincts.

Dude throws to nobody from the pocket in the first half and then a couple minutes later he eats the ball at the sideline instead of throwing it.

Come on

I'm not as down on him as others but I'm not going to argue it either

I want to see major shakeup on offense. Lynch and Cavanaugh are failing. I know Cavanaugh has the resume but something ain't right

Fwiw I went to bed at halftime. Sick and tired and sick and tired of the o line

 

[shu 49]

Young ED had many flaws so much so half the board wanted him benched before last season. Parts of the season last year were so bad even more people called for him to be benched even Dino benched him some. I love ED as much as the next person and everything he gave for Syracuse but ED has turned into some larger than life folk hero.

No player in college should be counted on to be a leader they are kids and there is such high player turnover from year to year that the leadership responsibilities fall on the coach. We had 6 year senior acting like he never broke up a pass before if he can’t provide leadership then nobody will. If the team lacks focus and leadership it is on the coach.

I was part of that group cause I thought he was hurt. If we had him today hurt we win bye 3 touchdowns or more.

 

[CuseOnly]

There is a reason that WR's are quitting on routes and getting benched for bad body language. They are open a lot of the time and not getting the ball. He had time last night, he is holding the ball too long, only checking a single read.

He is not seeing the field.

The reason the offense clicked in the 4th qtr was that those plays were designed to hit the first read. Most plays were bubble screens, swing and flat passes underneath. Everything was close and short. The unfortunate part is that that is not how this offense is supposed to be run.

 

[qdawgg]

I watched the game. When he had time to make the quick passes and find an open guy he did that. I didn't think he threw for that many yards.

not even close to true. Did you really watch the entire game. Like the 1st half, which is half the game. Or the 3rd quarter which is 25% of the game. He held the ball way too long most plays, didn’t throw to players on their breaks, missed players open in front of him. He looked good at the end of the game when ncstate started playing a super soft zone and let SU pass the ball to eat up clock and not give up anything big.

 

[ForCuseSake]

Dude throws to nobody from the pocket in the first half and then a couple minutes later he eats the ball at the sideline instead of throwing it.

Come on

I'm not as down on him as others but I'm not going to argue it either

I want to see major shakeup on offense. Lynch and Cavanaugh are failing. I know Cavanaugh has the resume but someone ain't right

Fwiw I went to bed at halftime. Sick and tired and sick and tired of the o line

It has to be a coaching breakdown.

Can’t reconcile how the same offensive philosophy that had Zach Mahoney throw for a million yards and TDs in its first few years is sputtering so badly with the handpicked 4 star QB.

 

[SURules]

There is a reason that WR's are quitting on routes and getting benched for bad body language. They are open a lot of the time and not getting the ball. He had time last night, he is holding the ball too long, only checking a single read.

He is not seeing the field.

The reason the offense clicked in the 4th qtr was that those plays were designed to hit the first read. Most plays were bubble screens, swing and flat passes underneath. Everything was close and short. The unfortunate part is that that is not how this offense is supposed to be run.

I have only been able to make the Clemson game this year but this is exactly what I saw. There were WR’s open and Tommy either didn’t see them or when he did, threw it to late and the window closed. On TV, you can’t see this stuff.