NCAA task force: Conferences could take over bowl system

[Orangeyes]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...force-conferences-could-take-over-bowl-system

 

[tipphill]

how about a task force to study the elimination of the ncaa and creating a more relevant, streamlined, agency w/o the layers of fat and layers of archaic rules and regs .

 

[Orangeyes]

how about a task force to study the elimination of the ncaa and creating a more relevant, streamlined, agency w/o the layers of fat and layers of archaic rules and regs .

According to Mark Emmert that is exactley what is underway right now. He seems to be heading the NCCA in the right direction. Trying to simplify the rules and make the book a lot thinner.

We'll see.

 

[IthacaMatt]

According to Mark Emmert that is exactley what is underway right now. He seems to be heading the NCCA in the right direction. Trying to simplify the rules and make the book a lot thinner.

We'll see.

The NCAA doesn't apparently understand that this is a step in their own demise.

This is also a huge step in forcing Notre Dame into a conference. If the conferences control the bowls and how many of them there are, why the hell keep throwing bones to Notre Dame ? They are now officially on the clock.

One more thought - there are currently 35 bowls - 70 teams. If I recall correctly, if they reduce the number of bowls by just a few, to 31, then I think that helps support a 32 team playoff. (Forgive me for not doing the math right now...).

Bowls ought to be more exclusive than they are now, and if tied into a playoff of the top 32 teams, you have everyone who belongs, and the games take on more significance, and bowl attendance improves. You have to reduce the regular season back down to 10 games, but I think that would be preferable, if I were king.

Start the playoff the first week of December and you have the championship game in the first week of January.

 

[tipphill]

The NCAA doesn't apparently understand that this is a step in their own demise.

This is also a huge step in forcing Notre Dame into a conference. If the conferences control the bowls and how many of them there are, why the hell keep throwing bones to Notre Dame ? They are now officially on the clock.

One more thought - there are currently 35 bowls - 70 teams. If I recall correctly, if they reduce the number of bowls by just a few, to 31, then I think that helps support a 32 team playoff. (Forgive me for not doing the math right now...).

Bowls ought to be more exclusive than they are now, and if tied into a playoff of the top 32 teams, you have everyone who belongs, and the games take on more significance, and bowl attendance improves. You have to reduce the regular season back down to 10 games, but I think that would be preferable, if I were king.

Start the playoff the first week of December and you have the championship game in the first week of January.

too much money involved to do that--to bad you're not king though

 

[SmilinBob]

So in other words, how can we make the rules work so we can squeeze out every possible dollar. This is about the control of the cash flow and nothing else.

 

[texascpa]

The NCAA doesn't apparently understand that this is a step in their own demise.

This is also a huge step in forcing Notre Dame into a conference. If the conferences control the bowls and how many of them there are, why the hell keep throwing bones to Notre Dame ? They are now officially on the clock.

One more thought - there are currently 35 bowls - 70 teams. If I recall correctly, if they reduce the number of bowls by just a few, to 31, then I think that helps support a 32 team playoff. (Forgive me for not doing the math right now...).

Bowls ought to be more exclusive than they are now, and if tied into a playoff of the top 32 teams, you have everyone who belongs, and the games take on more significance, and bowl attendance improves. You have to reduce the regular season back down to 10 games, but I think that would be preferable, if I were king.

Start the playoff the first week of December and you have the championship game in the first week of January.

Based on what I read, there's nothing stopping Notre Dame from entering into an alliance with a bowl or two. And you can bet there are plenty of bowls out there that would love to have Notre Dame as a participant.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Based on what I read, there's nothing stopping Notre Dame from entering into an alliance with a bowl or two. And you can bet there are plenty of bowls out there that would love to have Notre Dame as a participant.

It would have to be an alliance with a conference, not a bowl. If the conferences control the bowls, then ND is on the outside looking in.

 

[SmilinBob]

It would have to be an alliance with a conference, not a bowl. If the conferences control the bowls, then ND is on the outside looking in.

Problem is that ND is a member of the big east and I don't see them signing on to this to exclude a member.

 

[omniorange]

So in other words, how can we make the rules work so we can squeeze out every possible dollar. This is about the control of the cash flow and nothing else.

Exactly. This is what college athletics has been about for a while now.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[All4SU]

The NCAA doesn't apparently understand that this is a step in their own demise.

This is also a huge step in forcing Notre Dame into a conference. If the conferences control the bowls and how many of them there are, why the hell keep throwing bones to Notre Dame ? They are now officially on the clock.

One more thought - there are currently 35 bowls - 70 teams. If I recall correctly, if they reduce the number of bowls by just a few, to 31, then I think that helps support a 32 team playoff. (Forgive me for not doing the math right now...).

Bowls ought to be more exclusive than they are now, and if tied into a playoff of the top 32 teams, you have everyone who belongs, and the games take on more significance, and bowl attendance improves. You have to reduce the regular season back down to 10 games, but I think that would be preferable, if I were king.

Start the playoff the first week of December and you have the championship game in the first week of January.

There should never be a 32-team playoff.

 

[texascpa]

It would have to be an alliance with a conference, not a bowl. If the conferences control the bowls, then ND is on the outside looking in.

So, what will happen is that the bowls will try to "sell" their bowl game to the conferences. The conferences then will police their bowls. Basically, the NCAA does not want a repeat of the Fiesta Bowl, where they had to incur the legal liability. You have to believe that Notre Dame will have bowls lining up at their door.

 

[Orangello]

Problem is that ND is a member of the big east and I don't see them signing on to this to exclude a member.

That assumes that the current BCS system remains in place and the BE retains their AQ status. I believe both of those things are going to change. Any bowl games that the BE might wind up with, are not going to be very attractive to ND.

 

[SmilinBob]

That assumes that the current BCS system remains in place and the BE retains their AQ status. I believe both of those things are going to change. Any bowl games that the BE might wind up with, are not going to be very attractive to ND.

They kept their BCS power by adding Boise so they will be able to swim in the cash, especially if ND steps up for them. You may be right and they may change how they calculate AQ status but to be honest the ACC has done worse than the BE so it could get interesting.

 

[Orangeyes]

They kept their BCS power by adding Boise so they will be able to swim in the cash, especially if ND steps up for them. You may be right and they may change how they calculate AQ status but to be honest the ACC has done worse than the BE so it could get interesting.

I wonder if they cut Boise a sweet deal

 

[SmilinBob]

I wonder if they cut Boise a sweet deal

I'm sure it went both ways, a guarantee to go to a BCS game if you win the league or some concessions I'm sure like no games in a snowy place late in the year like the PAC does for USC...they never play the northern teams late in the year.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Problem is that ND is a member of the big east and I don't see them signing on to this to exclude a member.

Where did ND finish in the Big East standings last year ?

 

[IthacaMatt]

There should never be a 32-team playoff.

Well, 16 makes more sense, but if you did 32 teams and shortened the regular season by 2 games, you'd keep nearly all the existing bowls and incorporate them into a championship tournament. And you would eliminate a bunch of 6-6 teams playing each other in mid-December.

 

[SmilinBob]

Where did ND finish in the Big East standings last year ?

Where ever they wanted to finish. As you well know they are a member in everything but football thus, a member of the big east. Or as some may put it they have their cake and eat it too while the rest of the members eat their poo.

 

[All4SU]

Well, 16 makes more sense, but if you did 32 teams and shortened the regular season by 2 games, you'd keep nearly all the existing bowls and incorporate them into a championship tournament. And you would eliminate a bunch of 6-6 teams playing each other in mid-December.

There are not 32 teams in the country who deserve the opportunity to compete for the national championship. Each conference champ -- and a couple/few at-large teams. That's it. That's all you need.

 

[IthacaMatt]

So, what will happen is that the bowls will try to "sell" their bowl game to the conferences. The conferences then will police their bowls. Basically, the NCAA does not want a repeat of the Fiesta Bowl, where they had to incur the legal liability. You have to believe that Notre Dame will have bowls lining up at their door.

And tell me, which conference is going to volunteer to give up a few million dollars for a spot in a big bowl, so that they have a nice draw at the gate in Notre Dame, who doesn't play in their league ? When the Big East has 12 football teams and say, four bowls, how eager are they going to be to give the best one away to Notre Dame, who isn't really a member of their league ? Especially if there is no longer AQ status for the Big East, and they do away with it.

 

[IthacaMatt]

There are not 32 teams in the country who deserve the opportunity to compete for the national championship. Each conference champ -- and a couple/few at-large teams. That's it. That's all you need.

I guess, but is the NCAA basketball tournament any worse for it ?

4 regions - 4 games each in the first round. Based roughly on last year's final rankings. East Region is like the West in hoops, and has to have teams moved to populate it. this may be one round too many, but the idea sure looks fun.

East Region
(1) Alabama v. (8) Penn State
(2) South Carolina v. (7) Cincinnati
(3) Michigan v. (6) Va Tech
(4) Kansas State v. (5) West Virginia

South Region
(1) LSU v. (8) Rutgers
(2) Arkansas v. (7) Auburn
(3) Baylor v. (6) Florida State
(4) TCU v. (5) Georgia


Midwest Region
(1) Oklahoma State v. (8) Texas
(2) Boise State v. (7) BYU
(3) Wisconsin v. (6) Nebraska
(4) Michigan State v. (5) Houston

West Region
(1) Oregon v. (8) Northern Illinois
(2) USC v. (7) Missouri
(3) Stanford v. (6) Clemson
(4) Oklahoma v. (5) Southern Miss

 

[IthacaMatt]

And now the locations - first round games are played in these bowls (changing the dates, of course, to say, Dec 10)

Gildan New Mexico
Temple 37, Wyoming 15 Albuquerque, N.M.
University Stadium Dec. 17
2 p.m. ESPN/ESPN3
Famous Idaho Potato Bowl
Ohio 24, Utah State 23 Boise, Idaho
Bronco Stadium Dec. 17
5:30 p.m. ESPN/ESPN3
R+L Carriers New Orleans
Louisiana-Lafayette 32, San Diego State 30 New Orleans
Mercedes-Benz Superdome Dec. 17
9 p.m. ESPN/ESPN3
Beef 'O' Brady's St. Petersburg
Marshall 20, Florida International 10 St. Petersburg, Fla.
Tropicana Field Dec. 20
8 p.m. ESPN/ESPN3
S.D. County Credit Union Poinsettia
TCU 31, Louisiana Tech 24 San Diego
Snapdragon Stadium Dec. 21
8 p.m. ESPN/ESPN3
MAACO Las Vegas
Boise State 56, Arizona State 24 Las Vegas
Sam Boyd Stadium Dec. 22
8 p.m. ESPN/ESPN3
Sheraton Hawaii
Southern Miss 24, Nevada 17 Honolulu
Aloha Stadium Dec. 24
8 p.m. ESPN/ESPN3
AdvoCare V100 Independence
Missouri 41, North Carolina 24 Shreveport, La.
Independence Stadium Dec. 26
5 p.m. ESPN2/ESPN3
Little Caesars
Purdue 37, Western Michigan 32 Detroit
Ford Field Dec. 27
4:30 p.m. ESPN/ESPN3
Belk
NC State 31, Louisville 24 Charlotte, N.C.
Bank of America Stadium Dec. 27
8 p.m. ESPN/ESPN3
Military Bowl Presented By Northrop Grumman
Toledo 42, Air Force 41 Washington, D.C.
RFK Stadium Dec. 28
4:30 p.m. ESPN/ESPN3
Bridgepoint Education Holiday
Texas 21, California 10 San Diego
Snapdragon Stadium Dec. 28
8 p.m. ESPN/ESPN3
Champs Sports
Florida State 18, Notre Dame 14 Orlando, Fla.
Florida Citrus Bowl Dec. 29
5:30 p.m. ESPN/ESPN3
Valero Alamo
Baylor 67, Washington 56 San Antonio
Alamodome Dec. 29
9 p.m. ESPN/ESPN3
Bell Helicopter Armed Forces
BYU 24, Tulsa 21 Dallas
Gerald J. Ford Stadium Dec. 30
Noon ESPN/ESPN3
New Era Pinstripe
Rutgers 27, Iowa State 13 Bronx, N.Y.
Yankee Stadium Dec. 30
3:20 p.m. ESPN/ESPN3

 

[IthacaMatt]

2nd round games played in these 8 bowls

Franklin American Mortgage Music City
Miss. State 24, Wake Forest 17 Nashville, Tenn.
LP Field Dec. 30
6:40 p.m. ESPN/ESPN3
Insight
Oklahoma 31, Iowa 14 Tempe, Ariz.
Sun Devil Stadium Dec. 30
10 p.m. ESPN/ESPN3
Meineke Car Care of Texas
Texas A&M 33, Northwestern 22 Houston
Reliant Stadium Dec. 31
Noon ESPN/ESPN3
Hyundai Sun
Utah 30, Georgia Tech 27 (OT) El Paso, Texas
Sun Bowl Dec. 31
2 p.m. CBS
AutoZone Liberty
Cincinnati 31, Vanderbilt 24 Memphis, Tenn.
Liberty Bowl Dec. 31
3:30 p.m. ABC/ESPN3
Kraft Fight Hunger
Illinois 20, UCLA 14 San Francisco
AT&T Park Dec. 31
3:30 p.m. ESPN/ESPN3
Chick-fil-A
Auburn 43, Virginia 24 Atlanta
Georgia Dome Dec. 31
7:30 p.m. ESPN/ESPN3
TicketCity
Houston 30, Penn State 14 Dallas
Cotton Bowl
Jan. 2
Noon

 

[IthacaMatt]

3rd round in these four bowls:

Outback
Michigan State 33, Georgia 30 (3OT) Tampa, Fla.
Raymond James Stadium Jan. 2
1 p.m. ABC
Capital One
South Carolina 30, Nebraska 13 Orlando, Fla.
Florida Citrus Bowl Jan. 2
1 p.m. ESPN/ESPN3
Taxslayer.com Gator Bowl
Florida 24, Ohio State 17 Jacksonville, Fla.
EverBank Field Jan. 2
1 p.m. ESPN2/ESPN3
Rose Bowl Game presented by Vizio
Oregon 45, Wisconsin 38 Pasadena, Calif.
Rose Bowl
Jan. 2
5 p.m.