NCState Chancellor Speaks: And told More to Come from ACC

[arbitragegls]

Here is newest article from ACC...in a article with Chancellor Woodson speaking on his university, ACC and the NC championship decisions coming up. Interestingly, he speaks to these points:
1. Accessibility of Division 1 schools having opportunity to participate--maybe 8 teams not dead yet
2. Length of schedule and into spring term
3. Does not believe FSU and Clemson or any school are about to leave
4. Academic accomplishments by athletes at NCstate is very important
5. NCstate is 38th in Directors Cup--(just a tad better than 'Cuse

http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/06/06/2117885/nc-states-woodson-eager-for-a.html

My source has indicated that over the next three weeks there will be much more to digest concerning the ACC and where it is going relative to football and conference membership.

 

[texascpa]

I've always been a supporter of an 8 team playoff. Actually I would prefer 32 team with no other bowls. If FCS can do it, then FBS can do it.

 

[Miasta]

My source has indicated that over the next three weeks there will be much more to digest concerning the ACC and where it is going relative to football and conference membership.

Any indication if this information is going to be positive or negative for the ACC? Any additional details you can share?

 

[All4SU]

I've always been a supporter of an 8 team playoff. Actually I would prefer 32 team with no other bowls. If FCS can do it, then FBS can do it.

I just don't think there are 32 teams that by the end of the regular season deserve a chance to compete for the NC. To me, 16 has always been the optimal number.

 

[gmoney44]

I've always been a supporter of an 8 team playoff. Actually I would prefer 32 team with no other bowls. If FCS can do it, then FBS can do it.

8 team playoff. 5 conference champions (no big east) and 3 at large which can be anyone. No conference can have more the 2 teams in.



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[texascpa]

I just don't think there are 32 teams that by the end of the regular season deserve a chance to compete for the NC. To me, 16 has always been the optimal number.

I'll take 16, as well. 4, however is just too few.

 

[All4SU]

I'll take 16, as well. 4, however is just too few.

Agreed. Four almost isn't even a "playoff."

I would even like 12, with byes to the top 4 seeds.

 

[SURules]

8 team playoff. 5 conference champions (no big east) and 3 at large which can be anyone. No conference can have more the 2 teams in.

And Selection Committee determine seedings and who the 3 at large teams are. Something similar to what the NCAA Basketball Tourney has currently. Seems like almost everyone could live with that and it keeps the conference games meaningful. 8 seems like the right number to be inclusive and keep congress out but yet achieve what the Big 5 Conferences want too.

 

[Dcuse]

Here is newest article from ACC...in a article with Chancellor Woodson speaking on his university, ACC and the NC championship decisions coming up. Interestingly, he speaks to these points:
1. Accessibility of Division 1 schools having opportunity to participate--maybe 8 teams not dead yet
2. Length of schedule and into spring term
3. Does not believe FSU and Clemson or any school are about to leave
4. Academic accomplishments by athletes at NCstate is very important
5. NCstate is 38th in Directors Cup--(just a tad better than 'Cuse

http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/06/06/2117885/nc-states-woodson-eager-for-a.html

My source has indicated that over the next three weeks there will be much more to digest concerning the ACC and where it is going relative to football and conference membership.

For God's sake! Take the 8 top teams and give them the Big 4 Bowl games. Take the 4 winners and play them off. Why is this so hard? Bowl people will be happy that there precious bowls are no longer insignificant and we get our playoff.

Get it done morons!

 

[Ozcuse]

For God's sake! Take the 8 top teams and give them the Big 4 Bowl games. Take the 4 winners and play them off. Why is this so hard? Bowl people will be happy that there precious bowls are no longer insignificant and we get our playoff.

Get it done morons!

Exactly. I think the big hang up to this is certain conferences (cough B1G) being reluctant to give up affiliations with those bowls (cough Rose Bowl).

 

[BlackKnight76]

Exactly. I think the big hang up to this is certain conferences (cough B1G) being reluctant to give up affiliations with those bowls (cough Rose Bowl).

It would be easy enough to just make the PAC/B1G champs always play in the rise bowl as a round of 8 game


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[riskylogic]

For God's sake! Take the 8 top teams and give them the Big 4 Bowl games. Take the 4 winners and play them off. Why is this so hard? Bowl people will be happy that there precious bowls are no longer insignificant and we get our playoff.

Get it done morons!

The problem with that is that it takes the season into mid-January. But still, they could turn four of the late December bowls into quarterfinals, 2 new years day bowls into semifinals, and then the championship.

 

[rrlbees]

It will start as 4. Within 2-3 years it will go to 8. Then a few years later it will go to 16 where it will stay.

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[PeteCalvin]

I've always been a supporter of an 8 team playoff. Actually I would prefer 32 team with no other bowls. If FCS can do it, then FBS can do it.

8 teams is almost a given at this point. It's pretty clear from the statements issued by everyone other than the SEC or Big 12 that the Top 4 team scenario will not happen. The PAC12 and BIG won't allow it. The SEC and Big12 want more than one dog in the fight to increase their chances of hardware and $$$. Therefore, the "Top 4 Conference Champions" model gets scrapped also, and they go directly to the "Top 8 Teams", which really means the champions from the Big Six conferences (yes, the BE is given a seat, only because of ND) and the top two at large teams in the overall rankings, probably the second place SEC and Big12 teams most seasons. Although the big guys would like to freeze out the NNBE, I don't see a way they can, in the 8 team model, unless they structure it so that EITHER the NNBE Champ OR ND, whichever has the better standing, gets in. I could also see the BIG purposely moving to freeze out ND and hastening the end of the NNBE. If you force ND into having to finish in the top 5 every year for a shot at the NC, then the pressure to join a conference increases.

I see the 8-team playoff being the endgame.

 

[texascpa]

8 teams is almost a given at this point. It's pretty clear from the statements issued by everyone other than the SEC or Big 12 that the Top 4 team scenario will not happen. The PAC12 and BIG are not going to let that happen. The SEC and Big12 want more than one dog in the fight to increase their chances of hardware and $$$. Therefore, the "Top 4 Conference Champions" model gets scrapped and they go directly to the "Top 8 Teams", which really means the champions from the Big Six conferences (yes, the BE is given a seat, only because of ND) and the top two at large teams in the overall rankings, probably the second place SEC and Big12 teams most seasons. Although the big guys would like to freeze out the NNBE, I don't see a way they can, in the 8 team model, unless they structure it so that EITHER the NNBE Champ OR ND, whichever has the better standing, gets in. I could also see the BIG purposely moving to freeze out ND and hastening the end of the NNBE. If you force ND into having to finish in the top 5 every year for a shot at the NC, then the pressure to join a conference increases.

I see the 8-team playoff being the endgame.

I hope that the 8-team playoff happens and it will be interesting to see how that impacts conference realignment.

 

[kingottoiii]

It will start as 4. Within 2-3 years it will go to 8. Then a few years later it will go to 16 where it will stay.

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16 is too many I would hate that. I rather have 2 than 16. I think 12 max and that might be too many.

 

[riskylogic]

16 is too many I would hate that. I rather have 2 than 16. I think 12 max and that might be too many.

If you figure out a way to move conference championships into November, then 16 would work. As a possibility, if you have a conference with two divisions, then each member of a division could schedule a home-or-away game against a seeded team in the other division at the end of the year. One of those games would be the conference championship.

 

[arbitragegls]

Any indication if this information is going to be positive or negative for the ACC? Any additional details you can share?

ACC finally confirming that it is paying out $17,000,000 to each school for past year. This compares quite favorably with the Big 12 at $19,000...but do not forget that Big 12 payout includes $$$$ from two teams leaving for the SEC. My source indicates that positive feelings are beginning to hold sway. It also appears that FSU is not marching out of the ACC anytime soon.

 

[kingottoiii]

I see the 8-team playoff being the endgame.

If they went to 8 I would like to see:

Top 4 teams get auto bids
Top 10 conference champs get taken over any at larges 5-10
A committee determines the at large and seedings

That would result in

2011
#1 LSU (SEC) vs #10 Wisconsin (B1G)
#3 Okie St (B12) vs #7 Boise (MWC)
#2 Bama (at large) vs #4 Stanford (at large)
#5 Oregon (P12) vs #6 Arkansas (at large)
Top 10 left out: 8 and 9

2010
#1 Auburn (SEC) vs #10 Boise (at large)
#2 Oregon (P12) vs #6 Ohio St (at large)
#3 TCU (MWC) vs #7 Oklahoma (B12)
#5 Wisconsin (B1G) vs #4 Stanford (at large)
Top 10 left out: 8 and 9

2009
#1 Bama (SEC) vs #9 GA Tech (ACC)
#2 Texas (B12) vs #8 Ohio St (B1G)
#3 Cincy (BE) vs #7 Oregon (P12)
#4 TCU (MWC) vs #6 Boise (WAC)
Top 10 left out: 5 and 10

2008
#1 Oklahoma (B12) vs #9 Boise (WAC)
#2 Fla (SEC) vs #8 PSU (B1G)
#5 USC (P12) vs #4 Bama (at large)
#3 Texas (at large) vs #6 Utah (MWC)
Top 10 left out: 7 and 10

2007
#1 Ohio St (B1G) vs #9 WV (BE)
#2 LSU (SEC) vs #10 Hawaii (WAC)
#3 VT (ACC) vs #6 Mizzou (at large)
#4 Oklahoma (B12) vs #7 USC (P12)
Top 10 left out: 5 and 8


By conference it would have been:

SEC 8
B12 7
P12 7
B1G 6
MWC 4
WAC 4
ACC 2
BE 2

But if you notice with realignment:

B12 10
SEC 8
P12 8
B1G 6
BE 5
ACC 2
WAC 1
MWC 0

This of course isn't perfect as some of those teams in their new conference would have suffered more Ls.

 

[kingottoiii]

If you figure out a way to move conference championships into November, then 16 would work. As a possibility, if you have a conference with two divisions, then each member of a division could schedule a home-or-away game against a seeded team in the other division at the end of the year. One of those games would be the conference championship.

Um it aint about logistics. It is about finding 16 worthy teams. Anything over 8 is diluting the playoffs and making the regular season a joke.

 

[Blaster]

I think 8 is the perfect number. If you look at the last 3 weeks of the season VT, Clemson, Houston, and Oklahoma were all in the top 8 and got bounced. In the last 4 weeks the only major changes were Houston, MSU, and Baylor got bounced out of the top 16 so not as much drama.

 

[Scooch]

If the playoff was 4, but had a qualifier that teams had to be conference winners ranked in the top 6 to qualify, you make the conference championship games extremely important and effectively create an 8+ team "playoff".

That's how I'd roll.

 

[rrlbees]

ACC finally confirming that it is paying out $17,000,000 to each school for past year. This compares quite favorably with the Big 12 at $19,000...but do not forget that Big 12 payout includes $$$$ from two teams leaving for the SEC. My source indicates that positive feelings are beginning to hold sway. It also appears that FSU is not marching out of the ACC anytime soon.

You keep leaving out that IF the B12 got FSU and Clemson or even GT the B12 would get even more $$$ and pay out even more eventually plus the $$$$ gotten from a championship game that would be dispersed. Also, at some point the ACC $$$$ would go down if teams left. You aren't comparing apples to apples IF ACC teams were to go to the B12.

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[riskylogic]

Um it aint about logistics. It is about finding 16 worthy teams. Anything over 8 is diluting the playoffs and making the regular season a joke.

Heh, if you end the regular season earlier, then you can start the playoffs sooner. Have you learned nothing from the NBA and NHL?

Maybe the conference championships are the joke, or more to the point, would you rather have:

a) conference championships and an 8 game playoff
b) no conference championships and a 16 game playoff
c) scheduling conference championships into the regular season and a 16 game playoff

 

[Toga]

If the playoff was 4, but had a qualifier that teams had to be conference winners ranked in the top 6 to qualify, you make the conference championship games extremely important and effectively create an 8+ team "playoff".

That's how I'd roll.

I like this ^^^^^^^ as I'm sure the Irish would.