NCState Chancellor Speaks: And told More to Come from ACC

[omniorange]

If the playoff was 4, but had a qualifier that teams had to be conference winners ranked in the top 6 to qualify, you make the conference championship games extremely important and effectively create an 8+ team "playoff".

That's how I'd roll.

Agreed. I've been saying this for a while. Puts an emphasis on winning your division during the regular season and then capping the regular season with championship games that are more important in the scheme of things.

It also means the post season isn't extended to the third week of January which seems to be something the presidents don't want to see happen. Interesting though that the ACC may now be forced to be in a position to push for an 8 team post-season playoff.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[orange79]

yes, the BE is given a seat, only because of ND

Not sure I get why. If there are at-large bids, ND doesn't need to fight for the BE to have a seat. If they are all at-large bids, everyone is in (potentially). Unless I am misinterpreting your post.

 

[texascpa]

Agreed. I've been saying this for a while. Puts an emphasis on winning your division during the regular season and then capping the regular season with championship games that are more important in the scheme of things.

It also means the post season isn't extended to the third week of January which seems to be something the presidents don't want to see happen. Interesting though that the ACC may now be forced to be in a position to push for an 8 team post-season playoff.

Cheers,
Neil

Post season wouldn't be extended to third week of January if they started the playoff games earlier. The regular season generally ends first weekend in December. No reason first and second round of 8 team playoff couldn't be played weeks 2 and 3 or 3 and 4 (whichever effects finals less). Then Championship game could be January 1, which is what I believe the NCAA wants to get back to.

 

[HtownOrange]

You keep leaving out that IF the B12 got FSU and Clemson or even GT the B12 would get even more $$$ and pay out even more eventually plus the $$$$ gotten from a championship game that would be dispersed. Also, at some point the ACC $$$$ would go down if teams left. You aren't comparing apples to apples IF ACC teams were to go to the B12.

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As it stands, the Big 12 deal does not allow for an increase, but rather new teams would receive the same as the current teams, thus nobody loses, but nobody gains (except via a move to the conference). As for the championship game, the Big 12 is already paid for the game, if they play the game, they will not get an increase. Fox agreed to pay for teh championship game to keep the conference together.

See this link: http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=573564

A writer raised 13 questions for FSU to consider, I gave quick responses. In short, there is probably no real (net) increase to a small increase for
FSU to leave.

 

[rrlbees]

As it stands, the Big 12 deal does not allow for an increase, but rather new teams would receive the same as the current teams, thus nobody loses, but nobody gains (except via a move to the conference). As for the championship game, the Big 12 is already paid for the game, if they play the game, they will not get an increase. Fox agreed to pay for teh championship game to keep the conference together.

See this link: http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=573564

A writer raised 13 questions for FSU to consider, I gave quick responses. In short, there is probably no real (net) increase to a small increase for
FSU to leave.

There is nobody on the net that knows exactly what is said in the B12 or ACC contracts, especially the B12 one. So I don't know how anyone can confidently answer those questions. Even the link you provided the answer said B12 money could go up with the additions.

 

[HtownOrange]

There is nobody on the net that knows exactly what is said in the B12 or ACC contracts, especially the B12 one. So I don't know how anyone can confidently answer those questions. Even the link you provided the answer said B12 money could go up with the additions.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...n-and-feeling-its-oats-sitting-at-10-12-or-14

"The new Big 12 TV deal is expected to be announced any day, perhaps here this week as a celebration of the league's new-found strength. Within that deal is a clause that will give any new expansion candidates the same money as the current members (estimated to be at least $20 million per year)."

 

[rrlbees]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...n-and-feeling-its-oats-sitting-at-10-12-or-14

"The new Big 12 TV deal is expected to be announced any day, perhaps here this week as a celebration of the league's new-found strength. Within that deal is a clause that will give any new expansion candidates the same money as the current members (estimated to be at least $20 million per year)."

I'm not saying it is not true, but again, that is Dodd and not someone that has actually seen the contract. It could also be interpreted different ways. Maybe it is the minimum and there could still be an increase? Who knows. Also, in that same article are quotes from the Texas AD and the writer Dodd's own opinions and it is clear that this is being given, and has been given for awhile, thought to expansion. Too many people thought this was all internet voodoo when it hasn't been. I have no facts, but it is obvious to me that the B12 has considered expansion, has considered FSU and that FSU and others have considered leaving. It isn't just some bloggers dream.

 

[Faegan]

I have no facts, but it is obvious to me that the B12 has considered expansion, has considered FSU and that FSU and others have considered leaving. It isn't just some bloggers dream.

I think the reality is that these types of conversations are the new norm, and will continue to be so.

 

[PhatOrange]

They added an extra regular season game a couple of years ago which can be removed. You don't need 15 practices and all the xtra time leading up to the bowl games.

Regular season ends on Thanksgiving weekend.

Conference championship games on first weekend of December.

1 round games Dec 8
2 round games Dec 15

You can figure out when the FF and Championship game are played. Which could be completed by January 7.

All the talk about not wanting to extend late into January is a bunch of BS.

 

[Admiral Koga]

If you figure out a way to move conference championships into November, then 16 would work. As a possibility, if you have a conference with two divisions, then each member of a division could schedule a home-or-away game against a seeded team in the other division at the end of the year. One of those games would be the conference championship.

Since college football starts over Labor Day...Move the start back one week, To the weekend before Labor Day. And since all schools play a D 1 AA team...have that scheduled to the weekend before Labor Day and the de-facto CFB 'pre-season'. Let these games count or not...it really doesn't matter.

 

[HtownOrange]

I'm not saying it is not true, but again, that is Dodd and not someone that has actually seen the contract. It could also be interpreted different ways. Maybe it is the minimum and there could still be an increase? Who knows. Also, in that same article are quotes from the Texas AD and the writer Dodd's own opinions and it is clear that this is being given, and has been given for awhile, thought to expansion. Too many people thought this was all internet voodoo when it hasn't been. I have no facts, but it is obvious to me that the B12 has considered expansion, has considered FSU and that FSU and others have considered leaving. It isn't just some bloggers dream.

The Big 12 has been lookingto expand even as they were splitting apart, this si not new. Louisville and Cincy were under speculation, along with BYU, as the major candiates for #'s 11 & 12 in the Big 12, they still might be. As for FSU, this is relatuively new. Nobody suspected that the Big 12 was strong or stable enough to take apart the ACC, let alone destroy it as many have predicted.

DeLoss Dodds, UT AD, and ESPN both released quotes that theBig 12 deal does not increase with new teams immediately after a WVU fan alleged that new teams would be added at $2.05MM increse per team, regardless of who is added - thus adding 6 teams to go to 16 teams would result in a $12MM increase.

The issue with expansion for the Big 12 is that they do not get more revenue per team, so expansion only benefits them $$ wise in the extended future. If they decide they want the championship game for which they are already paid, they will add 2 teams. After the ACC and SEC forced negotiations open due to the clauses that provided for expansion, ESPN and the others have realized it is easier to lock conferences in early and avoid the expansion game. There is no rush to expand for the Big 12.

I fully agree that this does not mean that the Big12 will NOT expand, just that $$ is not the issue from their standpoint. If they get another bump, every confernce will expand and demand new negotiations.

 

[omniorange]

Post season wouldn't be extended to third week of January if they started the playoff games earlier. The regular season generally ends first weekend in December. No reason first and second round of 8 team playoff couldn't be played weeks 2 and 3 or 3 and 4 (whichever effects finals less). Then Championship game could be January 1, which is what I believe the NCAA wants to get back to.

They aren't doing anything finals week or the week before Christmas. An 8-team post-season playoff after the Conference Championship games most likely would start after Christmas. At best that takes them to the middle of January for the NC game, depending upon how the calendar falls.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[Scooch]

They added an extra regular season game a couple of years ago which can be removed. You don't need 15 practices and all the xtra time leading up to the bowl games.

Regular season ends on Thanksgiving weekend.

Conference championship games on first weekend of December.

1 round games Dec 8
2 round games Dec 15

You can figure out when the FF and Championship game are played. Which could be completed by January 7.

All the talk about not wanting to extend late into January is a bunch of BS.

The exact opposite is going to happen. Remove a game? Fugeddaboudit. You're MUCH more likely to see a 13th regular season game get added (probably in the name of schedule "diversity" since all these leagues are moving to 9-game conference schedules).

The January stuff of course is complete horse hooey. Bowl games are already played during Finals.

 

[omniorange]

The exact opposite is going to happen. Remove a game? Fugeddaboudit. You're MUCH more likely to see a 13th regular season game get added (probably in the name of schedule "diversity" since all these leagues are moving to 9-game conference schedules).

The January stuff of course is complete horse hooey. Bowl games are already played during Finals.

First bowl game this past year was Saturday, December 17 which was after Finals Week for 98% of the power conference teams.

First and only bowl game that involved a power conference was played on December 22.

All the rest were played after Christmas. I'm surprised you didn't know that.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[Rocco]

If you think Selection Sunday in bball is nerve-wracking for some, imagine if there were a 16 team playoff with only 4-6 automatic bids? The politics would be absurd.

 

[OttosBestFriend]

16 is too many I would hate that. I rather have 2 than 16. I think 12 max and that might be too many.

Just like 68 hoops teams is too many. Oh, wait...

 

[PhatOrange]

The exact opposite is going to happen. Remove a game? Fugeddaboudit. You're MUCH more likely to see a 13th regular season game get added (probably in the name of schedule "diversity" since all these leagues are moving to 9-game conference schedules).

The January stuff of course is complete horse hooey. Bowl games are already played during Finals.

Most defininetly. I knew when I said it that removing a game would never ever happen but they could do it if they really 'cared' about student athelete and really wanted a playoff. But for teams to remove a game and lose that much money - yeah, no way - would never happen.

They care so much about the athlete's well being they took away 1 of the 2 in season bye weeks. Now if you don't play on the first weekend of december it's considered the 2nd bye week - ... the bye week is your season being over congrats - rest up. it's such a joke.

We all know what their motives are but man is it frustrating to hear over and over why something can't be done - instead of hearing how it can get done. glad they don't run real businesses.