orangenauburn
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And this is the insanity of NET in a nutshell
NET and KenPom Tracker 23-24 (SU = 84 3/9/24)
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Fortunately, in the tournament you still have to actually win the game to advance. Not a well you won you first round game, but based on our algorithm, you were the 33rd best team in the round of 64, so good luck next year.
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It's stupid on the women's side too
SU is 39
Behind three Big Ten teams that are trash compared to SU
Yeah that is a flawed metric considering that NET translates to a 10 seed for the current 2nd place team in the ACC.
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It's very stupid to group 300 teams into four buckets and use it as a model input
Computers are pretty good these days.
Worrying about the difference between the lowest q1 and the highest q2 as if there is a meaningful difference shows how stupid the process is
Boeheim was right. All these teams are the same, they used dumb formulas, just add one more game and it takes away a lot of the stupidity
Computers are pretty good these days.
Worrying about the difference between the lowest q1 and the highest q2 as if there is a meaningful difference shows how stupid the process is
Boeheim was right. All these teams are the same, they used dumb formulas, just add one more game and it takes away a lot of the stupidity
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I think Road wins / losses over a top 30 team should be Quad 0...
I would also argue home games over 250+ in the Net should not even count or put them in Q5 and delete them. For Cuse it would be only Canisius.
NC State is 4 spots higher in the Net. Same with Wake and they are 27 in the Net. Look at this NonCon Q4 Below.
Cuse Q4
| W | 83-72 | Home | (189) | New Hampshire | |
| W | 89-77 | Home | (267) | Canisius | |
| W | 83-71 | Home | (218) | Niagara |
NCstate Q4
| W | 72-59 | Home | (262) | The Citadel | |
| W | 84-64 | Home | (263) | Abilene Christian | |
| W | 87-53 | Home | (317) | Charleston So. | |
| W | 84-78 | Neutral | (232) | Vanderbilt | |
| W | 93-61 | Home | (349) | UMES | |
| W | 81-67 | Home | (212) | UT Martin | |
| W | 82-70 | Home | (222) | Saint Louis | |
| W | 83-66 | Home | (359) | Detroit Mercy |
Wake Q4
| W | 101-78 | Home | (303) | Elon | |
| W | 71-56 | Home | (317) | Charleston So. | |
| W | 83-59 | Home | (327) | NJIT | |
| W | 88-59 | Home | (310) | Delaware St. | |
| W | 91-68 | Home | (278) | Presbyterian |
In:
Team 1
Team 2
Team 4
Team 6
Team 8
Team 9
Team 11
Team 13 (I think this is us lol, Average net win is tied for the highest on this list)
Team 14
Team 15
Team 16
Team 19
Team 22
Team 28
Team 30
Out:
Team 3
Team 5
Team 7
Team 10
Team 12
Team 20
Team 21
Team 23
Team 24
Team 25
Team 26
Team 27
Team 29
Team 31
Team 32
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I have to choose half of these teams? I know my top 4-5 at first glance.
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The only reason for quadrants is so they can tell whatever story they need to justify whoever gets in
It's story telling after the fact for quick and dirty analysis not for calculating anything
very true. Beating UNC is going to mean more to the committee than anything else we do all season. Doesn’t matter what Net or what metrics anyone else is looking at. Oh you beat UNC you’re moving up. Luck for us.
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I only want team 13 in. Don't care the other teams.
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Team 20
Team 14
Team 4
Team 2
Team 28
Team 10
Team 3
Team 29
Team 15
Team 6
Team 8
Team 13
Team 22
Only would say these 13.
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David Teel on how the Big 12 may have gamed the system.
Teel: ACC coaches frustrated by NET and Big 12's high rankings
Staring at the prospect of a third consecutive season with minimal NCAA bids, ACC coaches may alter their nonconference scheduling approach
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Correct, road wins were worth more than home wins. It was also better to lose to a school with a good RPI than beat a school with a bad RPI.
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What’s our current combined Q1 and Q2 record?
CBS podcast was saying wake forest was 6-9 in first two quadrants and St. John’s was 8-11. Just curious where we stand compared to those two
Edit: 5-8. Didn’t realize the rankings list grouped it for you.
CBS podcast was saying wake forest was 6-9 in first two quadrants and St. John’s was 8-11. Just curious where we stand compared to those two
Edit: 5-8. Didn’t realize the rankings list grouped it for you.
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Are quadrants actually used in the formula or are they just to dumb it down for taking heads?
I hope that oncologists don't use quadrants. You have between a 0 and 25% chance of this horrible cancer, sir
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Without net we’d be firmly in based on past standards. Wouldn’t even be debated. It’s crazy.
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Yup. Our strength of schedule and RPI put us in. Just bonkers. Axe is interviewing Stevens today on his pod and he’s going to go in depth on it all with him.
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Who is Stevens?
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