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Net Points, Etc. Part 2: Blasts from the past

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BLASTS FROM THE PAST
(statistically and physicallycomparable players from the past, using the records on Cuse.com and the Media Guide, which go back to the 1982-83 season)

DaJuan Coleman as a senior:
7.8M 14.5P 12.2R 0.5A 1.1S 1.4B 29.7+ 5.0MFG 2.3MFT 3.5TO 5.6PF 16.4- = 13.3NP 7.2OE 6.1FG

Andre Hawkins as a junior, (1983-84):
28.3m 14.8p 8.4r 2.1a 1.5s 1.2b 28.0+ 4.4mfg 1.2mft 2.6to 5.6pf 13.8- = 14.2NP 9.2OE 5.0FG

Rodney Walker as a sophomore (1986-87):
12.9m 13.7p 12.2r 0.9a 0.9s 0.2b 27.9+ 6.2mfg 1.5mft 2.7to 6.0pf 16.4- = 11.5NP 6.0OE 5.5FG

Otis Hill as a freshman (1993-94):
24.3m 13.1p 9.2r 2.0a 1.6s 2.3b +28.2 4.7mfg 1.5mft 2.6to 6.3pf -15.1 = 13.1NP 6.9OE 6.2FG

Etan Thomas as a freshman (1996-97):
16.3m 14.0p 10.3r 0.3a 0.9s 4.7b +30.2 4.7mfg 3.7mft 3.2to 5.7pf -17.3 = 12.9NP 5.6OE 7.3FG

Eric Williams as a freshman (1997-98):
8.4m 14.3p 11.4r 2.9a 1.7s 1.0b +30.3 3.8mfg 2.9mft 6.0to 5.0pf -17.7 = 12.6NP 7.6OE 5.0FG

Arinze Onuaku as a freshman ((2005-06)
7.1m 9.5p 13.2r 0.6a 0.8s 2.1b 26.2+ 3.0mfg 2.5mft 2.1to 5.1pf 12.7- = 13.5NP 4.0OE 9.5FG

Comment: DaJuan’s problem, of course was injured knees and we’ll never know what he could have been. His numbers aren’t bad this year but only because he played primarily against this early, bad teams. JB stopped using him when the competition got good. Even at that the most comparable players include four freshman, all of whom went on to become much better players. The sophomore as a career reserve who left due to playing time issues and Andre Hawkins was considered a disappointment. They all committed 5+ fouls per game. They couldn’t cover people and so they committed too many fouls to stay in the game, which didn’t allow them to taking advantage of their scoring and rebounding abilities. If I ahd to make a call here, I’d pick Onuaku because he also hurt his knee that year.


Paschal Chukwu as a sophomore:
12.0M 4.4P 10.7R 0.7A 1.1S 5.2B 22.1+ 1.1MFG 3.3MFT 3.7TO 5.6PF 13.7- = 8.4NP 0.0OE 8.4FG

LeRon Ellis as a junior (1989-90)
21.3m 11.3p 7.6r 1.4a 2.1s 1.5b +23.9 5.6mfg 1.5mft 1.3to 5.6pf -14.0 = 9.9NP 5.7OE 4.2FG

Conrad McRae as a freshman (1989-90):
9.3m 8.4p 8.6r 1.1a 1.1s 4.3b +23.5 2.4mfg 2.4mft 0.5to 7.6pf -12.9 = 10.6NP 3.6OE 7.0FG

Bill Celuck as a junior (2000-01):
17.4m 10.0p 9.1r 1.4a 1.3s 2.9b +24.7 3.4mfg 0.8mft 1.7to 7.6pf -13.5 = 11.2NP 5.8OE 5.4FG

Craig Forth as a sophomore (2002-03):
17.7m 8.5p 7.5r 1.9a 1.0s 2.7b +21.6 3.8mfg 1.3mft 2.5to 5.8pf -13.4 = 8.2NP 3.4OE 4.8FG

DaShonte Riley as a freshman (2009-10):
)4.5m 5.9p 6.6r 2.8a 0.5s 4.1b 19.9+ 1.5mfg 1.5mft 3.1to 7.1pf 13.2- = 6.7NP 2.9OE 3.8FG

Baye Moussa Keita as a senior (2013-14)
15.5m 4.7p 9.9r 0.8a 1.0s 2.4b = 18.8+ 1.9mfg 0.6mft 1.9to 6.3pf = 10.7- = 8.1NP 2.2OE 5.9FG

Comments: Statistically, Chukwu most resembled Keita, who fell off in his senior year. But Keita was excellent at defensive positioning and Chukwu was awful at it. Reilly might be a better comparison but Chukwu was a better rebounder. Celuck had a similar build but he could score. Chukwu, the tallest at 7-2, also blocked the most shots. All of them fouled way too many times to stay in the game, again a sign that they were no good at positional defense, at last at this stage of their careers.


Andrew White as a senior
37.2M 19.8P 5.0R 1.2A 1.2S 0.4B 28.1+ 8.0MFG 0.7MFT 1.8TO 2.3PF 12.8- = 15.3NP 11.1OE 4.3FG

Rafael Addison as a freshman (1982-83):
18.5m 18.3p 6.9r 2.6a 1.3s 0.7b 29.8+ 7.1mfg 1.5mft 2.8to 4.6pf 16.0- = 13.8np 9.7oe 4.1fg

Dave Johnson as a senior (1991-92):
37.9m 20.9p 7.4r 1.6a 1.6s 0.4b +31.9 9.7mfg 2.0mft 2.9to 3.2pf -17.8 = 14.1NP 9.2OE 4.9FG

Lawrence Moten as a senior (1994-95):
35.3m 22.2p 4.7r 3.7a 2.1s 0.3b +33.0 9.3mfg 1.5mft 3.4to 2.2pf -16.4 = 16.6NP 11.4OE 5.2FG

Preston Shumpert as a sophomore (1999-2000):
20.9m 19.7p 5.7r 1.6a 2.3s 0.2b +29.5 7.4mfg 0.7mft 1.6to 5.7pf -15.4 = 14.1NP 11.6OE 2.5FG

Demetris Nichols as a senior (2006-07):
34.8m 21.8p 6.2r 1.8a 1.6s 1.2b 32.6+ 9.1mfg 0.7mft 2.5to 2.4pf 14.7- = 17.9NP 12.0OE 5.9FG

James Southerland as a senior (2012-13)
29.5m 18.0p 7.0r 1.4a 2.0s 1.2b = 29.6+ 7.9mfg 0.5mft 1.6to 3.2pf = 13.2- = 16.4NP 9.6OE 6.8FG

Comments: Moten had the least range of these sharp-shooters but scored the most because he was willing to take two point jumpers as well as treys. His game was to keep moving for 40 minutes and find open shots. He could make anything from the arc in. He also had easily the most assists. Johnson, who was probably the shortest was the most athletic and the best rebounder. Addison, Shumpert and Southerland missed noticeably fewer shots than the others. Nichols had the best year and was the most offensively efficient. Surprisingly, it was Southerland who had the best floor game. The closest comparison is proably Shumpert, although he had many more fouls.


Tyler Lydon as a sophomore
36.1M 14.6P 9.6R 2.3A 1.1S 1.6B 29.2+ 5.5MFG 0.6MFT 1.9TO 2.7PF 17.3- = 18.5NP 8.5OE 10.0FG

Wendell Alexis as a junior (1984-85)
26.6m 14.4p 9.0r 1.8a 1.5s 1.7b 28.4+ 4.8mfg 1.0mft 2.6to 3.8pf 12.2- = 16.2NP 8.6OE 7.6FG

Derrick Coleman as a freshman (1986-87)
30.6m 15.6p 11.4r 1.5a 1.5s 2.3b 32.3+ 4.7mfg 1.7mft 2.3to 4.1pf 12.8- = 19.5NP 8.1OE 11.4FG

Billy Owens as a freshman (1988-89)
32.0m 16.3p 8.7r 3.7a 2.1s 1.2b 32.0+ 5.9mfg 1.7mft 2.5to 3.6pf 13.7- = 18.3NP 8.7OE 9.6FG

LeRon Ellis as a senior (1990-91)
29.0m 15.3p 10.6r 1.9a 2.7s 3.4b +33.9 5.9mfg 2.0mft 1.9to 4.7pf -14.5 = 19.4NP 7.4OE 12.0FG

Ryan Blackwell as a sophomore (1997-98)
35.0m 14.4p 9.4r 2.6a 1.6s 0.4b +28.4 5.8mfg 1.6mft 2.9to 2.3pf -12.6 = 17.2NP 7.0OE 10.2FG

Rick Jackson as a sophomore (2008-09)
22.1m 15.0p 10.4r 1.7a 1.6s 2.9b 31.6+ 4.0mfg 1.9mft 2.9to 3.6pf 12.4- = 19.2NP 9.1OE 10.1FG

Comments: People think Lydon had a bad season He actually had a pretty strong year for a player playing out of positon, one that compares to some of the best players we’ve ever had, although early in their careers. Lydon, of course, was still early in his career – except it’s over, at least here. Such is modern college basketball. Probably the best comparison here is Blackwell, except Lydon had more range on his jump shot, which is true of all the guys on this list.


Tyler Roberson as a senior:
20.4M 10.3P 9.7R 1.7A 1.0S 4.0B 24.3+ 3.4MFG 1.8MFT 2.1TO 4.0PF 11.3- = 13.0NP 5.1OE 7.9FG

Rodney Walker as a sophomore (1986-87)
12.9m 13.7p 12.2r 0.9a 0.9s 0.2b 27.9+ 6.2mfg 1.5mft 2.7to 6.0pf 16.4- = 11.5NP 6.0OE 5.5FG

Herman Harried as a senior (1988-89)
10.8m 12.0p 10.4r 1.5a 1.7s 0.2b 25.8+ 4.3mfg 2.3 mft 2.3to 5.1pf 14.0- = 11.8NP 5.5OE 6.3FG

Todd Burgan as a sophomore (1995-96)
34.2m 14.1p 8.0r 2.7a 2.0s 0.5b +27.3 6.7mfg 1.8mft 2.4to 3.3pf -14.2 = 13.1NP 5.6OE 7.5FG

Jeremy McNeil as a senior (2003-04)
12.8m 9.0p 8.3r 0.2a 0.9s 4.5b 22.9+ 1.2mfg 1.4mft 1.9to 7.4pf 11.9- = 11.0NP 6.4OE 4.6FG

Kristoff Ongenaet as a junior (2007-08)
19.2m 9.3p 9.3r 2.1a 1.4s 1.2b 23.3+ 3.0mfg 1.3mft 2.6to 4.9pf 11.8- = 11.5NP 5.0OE 6.5FG

Rakeem Christmas as a freshman (2012-13)
20.8m 9.8p 8.8r 0.4a 1.0s 3.5b = 23.5+ 3.7mfg 1.1mft 1.7to 4.8pf = 11.3- = 12.2NP 5.0OE 7.2FG

Comments: Only one of these players got a lot of playing time, (Burgen) and that makes him the least relevant comparison, as does the fact that Burgan was easily the best scorer of the bunch. Ongenaet doesn’t quite work because he shuttled all the time. Robie’s problem was being “turned on”. But Roberson was a better player than Walker, Harried or McNeil. He’s kind of hard to place in SU basketball history. Christmas was taller and more of apure center but he’s proably the bets comparison.


Taurean Thompson as a freshman:
17.9M 20.6P 8.5R 1.3A 1.5S 2.2B 34.1+ 7.1MFG 1.8MFT 2.9TO 5.5PF 1.73- = 16.8NP 11.7OE 5.1FG

Wendell Alexis as a senior (1985-86)
31.8m 19.1p 9.3r 2.0a 1.7s 1.3b 33.4+ 6.4mfg 0.9mft 2.2to 3.6pf 13.1- = 20.3NP 11.8OE 8.5FG

Otis Hill as a junior (1995-96)
24.3m 20.8p 9.0r 0.9a 1.5s 1.4b +33.6 6.3mfg 1.9mft 2.8to 5.8pf -16.8 = 16.8NP 12.6OE 4.2FG

Ryan Blackwell as a sophomore (1997-98)
35.0m 14.4p 9.4r 2.6a 1.6s 0.4b +28.4 5.8mfg 1.6mft 2.9to 2.3pf -12.6 = 17.2NP 7.0OE 10.2FG

Damone Brown as a junior (1999-00)
26.0m 16.4p 9.4r 2.1a 1.5b 0.9b +30.3 6.5mfg 1.3mft 2.3to 4.3pf -14.4 = 15.9NP 8.6OE 7.3FG

Hakim Warrick as a junior (2003-04)
37.3m 21.3p 9.2r 2.8a 1.0s 1.2b 35.5+ 7.4mfg 2.6mft 3.3to 2.9pf 16.2- = 19.3NP 11.3OE 8.0FG

Tyler Lydon as a Freshman (2015-16)
30.3M 13.4P 8.3R 1.5A 1.5S 2.4B = 27.1+ 4.9MFG 0.7MFT 1.7TO 3.6PF = 10.9- = 16.2NP 7.8OE 8.4FG

Comments: Alexis as a senior was clearly better than Thompson as a freshman but in terms of build and skills, I see him as the closest comparison, although Brown might make a good comparison and it’s possible Thompson could grow into a what Warrick became. Lydon had more range and Hill was shorter but stronger. Blackwell was not as good on offense but a better all-around player at this stage, the big thing being Thompson’s defense and resulting propensity to foul. I guess maybe I’d go with Brown, even though Hill has the closest numbers because of physical type.

John Gillon as a senior:
29.9M 14.1P 2.5R 7.3A 1.9S 0.0B 25.8+ 6.0MFG 0.6MFT 2.8TO 2.0PF 11.4- = 14.4NP 7.5OE 6.9FG

Pearl Washington as a freshman (1983-84)
34.0m 16.9p 3.1r 7.3a 2.7s 0.1b 30.1+ 5.7mfg 1.7mft 4.1to 4.0pf 15.5- = 14.6np 9.5oe 5.1fg

Adrian Autry as a junior (1992-93)
31.8m 17.2p 4.6r 7.0a 2.5s 0.2b +31.5 8.0mfg 0.9mft 4.4to 3.6pf -16.9 = 14.6NP 8.3OE 6.3FG

Michael Lloyd as a junior (1994-95)
31.9m 15.7p 4.0r 6.5a 2.5s 0.1b +28.8 6.7mfg 2.0mft 3.8to 3.0pf -15.5 = 13.3NP 7.0OE 6.3FG

Gerry McNamara as a senior (2005-06)
35.2m 18.2p 3.1r 6.7a 2.1s 0.1b 30.2+ 10.3mfg, 0.4mft 3.8to 1.5pf 16.0- = 14.2NP 7.5OE 6.7FG

Jonny Flynn as a freshman (2007-08)
35.5m 17.6p 3.0r 6.0a 1.7s 0.2b 28.5+ 7.2mfg 1.0mft 3.1to 1.6pf 12.9- = 15.6NP 9.4OE 6.2FG

Scoop Jardine as a senior (2011-12)
25.2m 14.1p 3.7r 7.8a 2.1s 0.2b = 27.9+ 6.0mfg 1.3mft 3.6to 1.7pf = 12.6- = 15.3NP 6.8OE 8.5FG

Comment: I was surprised that Gillons points per 40 minutes were as low as they were. But that’s because I’m remembering how he went off on NC State and a how great he was vs. Duke. But there were too many games where he just didn’t seem to care. GMAC would actually be a good comparison but he didn’t take games off. Michael Lloyd is an interesting comparison. He was bigger and stronger but he’s a guy who came in and played for one year, had some spectacular games but didn’t always sustain it. Scoop Jardine is another good comparison. He could be very good and very bad. Flynn was never the shooter that Gillon was but he could finish like John could only dream of. Autry had similar numbers but was much bigger and stronger and Pearl was a different player all together. I think I’ll go with Lloyd as the bets comparison.

Tyus Battle as a freshman:
30.7M 14.8P 2.8R 2.2A 1.7S 0.3B 21.8+ 6.4MFG 0.7MFT 1.5TO 2.5PF 11.1- = 10.7NP 7.7OE 3.0FG

Michael Brown as a freshman (1984-85)
23.4m 14.3p 3.9r 2.3a 1.4s 0.2b 22.1+ 6.0mfg 0.2mft 2.8to 3.1pf 12.1- = 10.0NP 8.1OE 1.9FG

Tony Bland as a sophomore (1999-2000)
20.9m 12.8p 3.1r 3.3a 2.0s 0.6b +21.8 6.5mfg 0.7mft 2.2to 2.3pf -11.7 = 10.1NP 5.6OE 4.5FG

DeShaun Williams as a freshman (1999-2000)
16.0m 15.7p 3.8r 4.2a 2.8s 0.2b +26.7 7.4mfg 0.4mft 3.3to 3.8pf -14.9 = 11.8NP 7.9OE 3.9FG

Brandon Triche as a sophomore (2010-11)
28.8m 15.5p 3.7r 4.0a 1.1s 0.1b 24.4+ 7.1mfg 0.6mft 2.9to 2.7pf 13.3- = 11.1NP 7.8OE 3.3FG

Trevor Cooney as a sophomore (2012-13
32.1m 15.0p 2.6r 1.4a 2.3s 0.1b = 21.4+ 7.2mfg 0.4mft 1.0to 1.3pf = 9.9- = 11.5NP 7.4OE 4.1FG

Malachi Richardson as a freshman (2015-16)
34.4M 15.6P 5.0R 2.4A 1.4S 0.3B = 24.7+ 8.2MFG 1.4MFT 2.5TO 2.9PF = 15.0- = 9.7NP 6.0OE 3.7FG

Comments: Brown was supposed to be a big time recruit but eh faded and so did his playing time and so he left. Bland wasn’t the athlete Battle is. I like the Williams comparison except Williams rebounded better and distributed the ball more, although I think that can be turned around. Williams also turned the ball over more. The Triche comparison is similar but Brandon was bulkier and stronger. It’s interesting how similar Cooney’s numbers are but Battle is taller and more athletic with a larger upside. I also think he’s better than Richardson although Malachi rebounded more. That’s something I’d like to see Tyus do more of next year.


Frank Howard as a sophomore:
15.7M 11.2P 4.1R 9.0A 2.9S 0.4B 27.6+ 6.8MFG 1.5MFT 4.3TO 4.2PF 16.8- = 10.8NP 2.9OE 7.9FG

Gene Waldron as a junior (1982-83)
28.0m 13.3p 3.1r 6.2a 2.7s 0.2b 25.5+ 4.7mfg 1.0mft 4.1to 4.6pf 14.4- = 11.1np 7.6oe 3.5fg

Michael Edwards as a freshman (1989-90)
24.0m 10.5p 1.8r 8.5a 1.5s 0.1b +22.4 5.3mfg 0.4mft 4.1to 3.1pf -12.9 = 9.5NP 4.8OE 4.7FG

Lazarus Sims as a senior (1995-96)
35.6m 7.1p 4.1r 8.3a 1.6s 0.1b +21.2 2.9mfg 0.7mft 3.6to 2.2pf -9.4 = 11.8NP 3.5OE 8.3FG

Jason Hart as a freshman (1996-97)
35.7m 10.8p 4.0r 6.4a 3.2s 0.1b +24.5 6.5mfg 0.9mft 3.5to 3.0pf -13.9 = 10.6NP 3.4OE 7.2FG

Alan Griffin as a junior (1999-2000)
10.7m 11.3p 4.1r 6.5a 1.8s 0.1b +23.8 5.6mfg 0.8mft 2.5to 4.2pf -13.1 = 10.7NP 4.9OE 5.8FG

Scoop Jardine as a freshman (2007-08)
19.6m 11.2p 3.1r 5.1a 2.4s 0.2b 22.0+ 5.0mfg 0.4mft 3.7to 3.9pf 13.0- = 9.0NP 5.8OE 3.2FG

Comments: Waldron was playing the point, not very well, before Pearl got here. He was a better shooter than Howard and became the “2” guard when Washington took over at the point. Edward’s numbers have some similarities but he was smaller and couldn’t rebound. Sims’ numbers as a senior weren’t all that great but his accomplishments were. I’m hoping Howard can improve to the point where he might be a similar player. Hart was a great defensive player and became a better shooter than Howard. He wasn’t as big. Griffin was also shorter but very athletic rebounded just as well. He became one of my favorite point guards and we had a fabulous record in close games when he ran the team as a senior, winning 9 of 11 games decided by single digits or in overtime. Scoop Jardine had an injury-plagued first year and played mostly the “2” as Jonny Flynn was at the point. Due to the size of the players and their assist numbers, I think Sims is the best comparison.

So if I were to describe the team in terms of former players, I’d say it's similar to having Arinze Onuaku as a freshman, Baye Moussa Keita as a senior, Preston Shumpert as a sophomore, Ryan Blackwell as a sophomore, Rakeem Christmas as a freshman, Damone Brown as a junior, Michael Lloyd as a junior, DeShaun Williams as a freshman and Lazarus Sims as a senior. Most of those players were not at the height of their career here but I would have favored that team over this one.
 
Z's stats were pretty great but appear lower because he did not shoot, nor did he have to, but he could shoot. The lack of shooting lowered his NP but as a senior he averaged 8.3 a and 4.1 r. Not many starting point guards averaged more than 8.3 assists.
 
Z's stats were pretty great but appear lower because he did not shoot, nor did he have to, but he could shoot. The lack of shooting lowered his NP but as a senior he averaged 8.3 a and 4.1 r. Not many starting point guards averaged more than 8.3 assists.


Howard would have to improve quite a bit to warrant comparison to Sims but his numbers actually wouldn't. If Howard became a good player, he would be a Sims type point guard as opposed to Gillon, Pearl, Sherman, GMAC, Johnny, etc.
 
Z's stats were pretty great but appear lower because he did not shoot, nor did he have to, but he could shoot. The lack of shooting lowered his NP but as a senior he averaged 8.3 a and 4.1 r. Not many starting point guards averaged more than 8.3 assists.
Agreed. His two 3-pointers in the Georgia game with around 3 or 4 minutes to go if I remember dropped the lead from 9 to 3, and set the stage for the famous ending.
 

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