Never Been a HC

[OrangePA]

Penn State - perhaps one of the top five college football programs in the history of the game - has hired a guy who was never a head coach. How about that?

And, by the way, it's the same thing that Oklahoma did a few years ago with Bob Stoops - was never a head coach.

Just an observation for those who have questioned the experience of Marrone - and the experience of Nathaniel Hackett.

 

[jr4750]

OPA, I always appreciate your optimism as well as allegiance to our past coaches. It's refreshing! Don't change your tune, despite what others say!

 

[MikeSU02]

Penn State - perhaps one of the top five college football programs in the history of the game - has hired a guy who was never a head coach. How about that?

And, by the way, it's the same thing that Oklahoma did a few years ago with Bob Stoops - was never a head coach.

Just an observation for those who have questioned the experience of Marrone - and the experience of Nathaniel Hackett.

Do you think O'Brien was the first choice? Do you think he was the second, third, fourth or fifth?

The guy is making less than a million a year [EDIT: He is making $950K with 5% increases per yr for five years, my mistake; my point still stands about how much (or little) they had to pay him]. And he had to keep on Larry Johnson to keep from having a serious exodus of players and the current recruiting class in place.

 

[OrangePA]

Do you think O'Brien was the first choice? Do you think he was the second, third, fourth or fifth?

The guy is making less than a million a year [EDIT: He is making $950K with 5% increases per yr for five years, my mistake; my point still stands about how much (or little) they had to pay him]. And he had to keep on Larry Johnson to keep from having a serious exodus of players and the current recruiting class in place.

I don't know what number choice he was - I was not privy to any discussions held by the committee.

I also don't know if Bob Stoops was the first choice when he was hired by the Sooners. Most feel that Marrone was not the first choice and I feel that he was the perfect selection for Syracuse University. So, that's pretty meaningless stuff to me.

I am a citizen of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania - I have seen stories over the years of how little Joe Paterno made per year. Salary data is pretty meaningless in situations such as this one.

In nearly every case the new HC retains key members of the departing staff - it's smart.

 

[orangenauburn]

however, this case is unique in regards to a systematic denial of child rape by one of their own on their facilities -- almost a guilt by association situation

 

[MikeSU02]

I don't know what number choice he was - I was not privy to any discussions held by the committee.

I also don't know if Bob Stoops was the first choice when he was hired by the Sooners. Most feel that Marrone was not the first choice and I feel that he was the perfect selection for Syracuse University. So, that's pretty meaningless stuff to me.

I am a citizen of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania - I have seen stories over the years of how little Joe Paterno made per year. Salary data is pretty meaningless in situations such as this one.

In nearly every case the new HC retains key members of the departing staff - it's smart.

If you had to wager money, how high do you think O'Brien was on the list of candidates?

JoePa clearly wasn't starving. I'm sure he was doing just fine. You and I both know that a HC salary of under 1 million for one of the most prestigious football programs is low.

Yes, HC retain members of the staff. I would argue that this wasn't his call. At all.

 

[MadNY3]

Penn State - perhaps one of the top five college football programs in the history of the game - has hired a guy who was never a head coach. How about that?

And, by the way, it's the same thing that Oklahoma did a few years ago with Bob Stoops - was never a head coach.

Just an observation for those who have questioned the experience of Marrone - and the experience of Nathaniel Hackett.

There is data galore to support either side.

To add a different wrinkle, the most successful SU head coaches were assistants here first...P, Boeheim, Desko...and to that, you can make the Coach Mac argument.

 

[OrangeAl]

There is data galore to support either side.

To add a different wrinkle, the most successful SU head coaches were assistants here first...P, Boeheim, Desko...and to that, you can make the Coach Mac argument.

Check me out on this, but I think our last head football coach with prior D-1 head coaching experience was Ossie Solem.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

What's hilarious is that this is posted as a reason to support someone that hadn't ever been a HC, and yet a typical retort to people that think they have ideas on how things could go better on the board is "how would you know? You're not a HC."

 

[OrangePA]

What's hilarious is that this is posted as a reason to support someone that hadn't ever been a HC, and yet a typical retort to people that think they have ideas on how things could go better on the board is "how would you know? You're not a HC."

Actually the retort is often "how would you know, you don't coach football - at any level"

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Actually the retort is often "how would you know, you don't coach football - at any level"

My Dynasty success on Madden says otherwise.

Game. Set. Match.

 

[OrangePA]

If you had to wager money, how high do you think O'Brien was on the list of candidates?

JoePa clearly wasn't starving. I'm sure he was doing just fine. You and I both know that a HC salary of under 1 million for one of the most prestigious football programs is low.

Yes, HC retain members of the staff. I would argue that this wasn't his call. At all.

In 2009 Paterno had a base salary of $550,000.00.

His total package that year was slightly more than $1 million.

Base salaries are typically low.

So the numbers we hear about are often very misleading.

I wouldn't put much stock in that component of the O'Brien hire.

 

[OrangePA]

My Dynasty success on Madden says otherwise.

Game. Set. Match.

Of course.

My presumption all along has been that you play a lot of Madden.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Of course.

My presumption all along has been that you play a lot of Madden.

You don't know how to take a joke.

 

[OrangePA]

There is data galore to support either side.

To add a different wrinkle, the most successful SU head coaches were assistants here first...P, Boeheim, Desko...and to that, you can make the Coach Mac argument.

I would add Roy Simmons, Jr. to the list.

And before Coach Mac, I would present Ben Schwartzwalder.

It took Mac seven years to truly achieve - that's the best lesson to learn - at a school like SU, it takes time.

 

[OrangePA]

You don't know how to take a joke.

Apparently neither do you.

I was joking back.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Apparently neither do you.

I was joking back.

It appears we are at a cross roads.

 

[MikeSU02]

I was wrong about the salary (well, actually who reported what I wrote was wrong), however, I still stand by my contentions that 1) he was about the 85th choice and 2) he had no say about LJ.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Check me out on this, but I think our last head football coach with prior D-1 head coaching experience was Ossie Solem.

Was UMASS D-II when Coach Mac was there?

 

[OrangeAl]

Was UMASS D-II when Coach Mac was there?

Hmm...1970's. Was that the 1-AA era?

 

[Chip]

Penn State - perhaps one of the top five college football programs in the history of the game - has hired a guy who was never a head coach. How about that?

And, by the way, it's the same thing that Oklahoma did a few years ago with Bob Stoops - was never a head coach.

Just an observation for those who have questioned the experience of Marrone - and the experience of Nathaniel Hackett.

Examples of this are all over the place at BCS schools. Some successful, some jury still out. Plenty of Big East coaches started this way. RichRod at WVU, Petrino at Louisville. Schiano (maybe a bad example, but they are clearly better than they were when he got there), Dantonio at Cincy. Outside of the BCS, Bo Pelini at Nebraska. Will Muschamp at Florida, Jimbo Fisher at FSU, Bret Bielema at Wisconsin, Sarkissian at Washington. List goes on...

I don't mind the concept of getting a head coach who hasn't been a head coach before, the best ones have to start somewhere. But if, for some reason it doesn't work out with Marrone (really hope it doesn't come to that), SU probably can't hire a guy whose primary or most recent experience is as an NFL assistant. Just don't think the 3rd time will be the charm. Might be more like three strikes you're out.

It's higher risk, but it's not always easy to find the right guy with HC experience, who wants the job.

 

[RoysRunts]

IMO The Guy that replaces the Guy who replaces Joe will be the long term Coach , just a hunch :noidea:

 

[OrangePA]

Examples of this are all over the place at BCS schools. Some successful, some jury still out. Plenty of Big East coaches started this way. RichRod at WVU, Petrino at Louisville. Schiano (maybe a bad example, but they are clearly better than they were when he got there), Dantonio at Cincy. Outside of the BCS, Bo Pelini at Nebraska. Will Muschamp at Florida, Jimbo Fisher at FSU, Bret Bielema at Wisconsin, Sarkissian at Washington. List goes on...

I don't mind the concept of getting a head coach who hasn't been a head coach before, the best ones have to start somewhere. But if, for some reason it doesn't work out with Marrone (really hope it doesn't come to that), SU probably can't hire a guy whose primary or most recent experience is as an NFL assistant. Just don't think the 3rd time will be the charm. Might be more like three strikes you're out.

It's higher risk, but it's not always easy to find the right guy with HC experience, who wants the job.

Rich Rod actually did have HC experience at a small school - similar to Coach P.

 

[kingottoiii]

I do not think it is a big deal if a guy hasn't been a HC before, as long as he has been an OC or DC. Also I think the success rate for college guys becoming HC is likely a lot higher than NFL guys going to college. Different game. So we hired a guy who didn't ever call plays and had been out of CFB for 8 years. O'Brien has at least called plays in both CFB and in the NFL. That being said no one wanted the PSU job. O'Brien is a lot more qualified vs Marrone and he only got the job because no one else would take it. On paper O'Brien is an awful hire.

 

[Stern]

Penn State - perhaps one of the top five college football programs in the history of the game - has hired a guy who was never a head coach. How about that?

Because NOBODY wants the job due to this "kid rape" scandal going on. Maybe you haven't heard of it.