Class of 2025 New Commit: Hansen Peck (NY: Lawrenceville) Attack (9/12/24)

[nyclax]

wonder why he fell from #9 in the class of 2026 to #35 in the class of 2025...

i would say there is no chance he sees the field in 2026...by the time he's ready it could be late in the season...at that point why burn the redshirt.

 

[DoctahLexus]

Hmmm kinda odd that he has to for sure use his redshirt this year and will maybe have that option be limited down the line as a result. Not sure how it would work if he had a season ending injury sometime down the line after already using a redshirt in his first year. Maybe he would still get another one?

But it will be good to have him practicing with the team and being on the sideline a year early, even with him missing fall ball. Guess it will not be too different in the end. Would be cool if he was ready to go next year. He is old enough and a lot of these prep guys are college ready from the jump. But I guess that is not the plan. Would be tough missing fall ball as a true freshman no matter how good you are.

 

[Hawknate144]

He would still get another one, medical redshirts are different from voluntary not playing redshirts. It would just require him to have played less than 30% of the seasons games prior to the injury

additionally, in a redshirt season he could appear in as many as 4 games, so hes not totally out for all of next year, he could thoeretically make a late season appearnece if needed.

 

[nyclax]

He would still get another one, medical redshirts are different from voluntary not playing redshirts. It would just require him to have played less than 30% of the seasons games prior to the injury

additionally, in a redshirt season he could appear in as many as 4 games, so hes not totally out for all of next year, he could thoeretically make a late season appearnece if needed.

no. the second he steps on the field that redshirt is burned unless he then suffers a season ending injury...

saving him all season just to throw him out there for 4 games at the end would burn the redshirt.

 

[JeremyCuse]

He would still get another one, medical redshirts are different from voluntary not playing redshirts. It would just require him to have played less than 30% of the seasons games prior to the injury

additionally, in a redshirt season he could appear in as many as 4 games, so hes not totally out for all of next year, he could thoeretically make a late season appearnece if needed.

4 games is for fball only, once you step on the field I'm lax its game over for a RS. He could get a med redshirt if he suffers an early or preseason injury in a different season.

 

[W'boro'Cuse315]

I’m assuming Filardi had to use a redshirt in Lax last spring. Your eligibility clock starts when you enroll. Him enrolling for the 2nd semester & participating in spring football is no different than Peck enrolling 2nd semester & practicing with Lax. This is all likely irrelevant, as I believe 5-to-play-5/no redshirts is on the horizon.

I’m thinking that Peck, considering his smaller frame & that he was originally a ‘25, may benefit more from getting into a college training/nutrition program & acclimating to the physicality earlier than he would playing a final year of prep ball.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I’m assuming Filardi had to use a redshirt in Lax last spring. Your eligibility clock starts when you enroll. Him enrolling for the 2nd semester & participating in spring football is no different than Peck enrolling 2nd semester & practicing with Lax. This is all likely irrelevant, as I believe 5-to-play-5/no redshirts is on the horizon.

Filardi was not part of the LAX team in 2025. He was a walk-on who participated in Spring football only.

There have been plenty of student athletes who played 4 years of one sport, and then played 1 year of a different sport.

Under the new rules, I have no idea. Not worrying about 2030 right now.

 

[Hawknate144]

My apologies, Google said the 4 games was for athletes in general, must have been citing a article about football specifically.

 

[Hawknate144]

but yeah agreed that by 2030 5 to play 5 will probably be the reality.

 

[W'boro'Cuse315]

Hmmm kinda odd that he has to for sure use his redshirt this year and will maybe have that option be limited down the line as a result. Not sure how it would work if he had a season ending injury sometime down the line after already using a redshirt in his first year. Maybe he would still get another one?

He’d just have to apply. For example, Birtwistle took a developmental redshirt as a frosh in ‘21 & still got a med redshirt for his injury last season, allowing him to play a 6th season at Ohio St.

 

[Powellfan]

wonder why he fell from #9 in the class of 2026 to #35 in the class of 2025...

i would say there is no chance he sees the field in 2026...by the time he's ready it could be late in the season...at that point why burn the redshirt.

I thought I read somewhere that he was suffering from a shooting slump during the season. His stats for last season, according to his highlight video was 31 goals and 28 assists. He had 57 goals as a sophomore, so I am guessing that explains some of it.

 

[DoctahLexus]

I thought I read somewhere that he was suffering from a shooting slump during the season. His stats for last season, according to his highlight video was 31 goals and 28 assists. He had 57 goals as a sophomore, so I am guessing that explains some of it.

Nahh it’s probably just Ty trying to account for him being in a different class. He would not have dropped him if he staid as a ‘26. He is a 5 star without question.

 

[relaxer]

Nahh it’s probably just Ty trying to account for him being in a different class. He would not have dropped him if he staid as a ‘26. He is a 5 star without question.

This is one of the reasons I'm bewildered that coaches keep falling for this reclass nonsense. A player repeats a year to play against younger players, and all of a sudden they magically are a full star grade better and the coaches are gunning harder for them.

Don't they realize once they get to college that advantage goes away? As a general rule, I find that most of the time players perform closer to how they stack up against kids their own age than kids in their own grade. Owen Duffy is a full year younger than McCabe Millon, and surprise surprise he's starting to create distance at the college level. There's a reason Chaminade and St. Anthony's kids have such a high hit rate compared to MIAA/NEW-1 top recruits: the LI catholic kids rarely indulge in the holdback game.

From the class of 2025, a few that I've got circled to watch in regards to this phenomenon are Michael Ortlieb and Teddy Lally -- both players are older than Kyle Colsey, who already finished his freshman year of college. Lally is more than six months older than Colsey!

In the case of Peck, he's a great player (one of my favorite to watch) but I think he's more of a high four star than a five star. Going back to his own class has caused the recruiters to reappraise him accurately.

 

[Zack80]

The top MIAA kids don't seem to have been held back that much according to IL
#1 Brendan Millon 2/2007
#3 Robbie Hopper 2/2007
#5 Matt Higgins 8/2006
#8 Luke Bair not listed
#9 Aidan Seibel 7/2006
#22 Bogue Hahn 9/2006

 

[DoctahLexus]

This is one of the reasons I'm bewildered that coaches keep falling for this reclass nonsense. A player repeats a year to play against younger players, and all of a sudden they magically are a full star grade better and the coaches are gunning harder for them.

Don't they realize once they get to college that advantage goes away? As a general rule, I find that most of the time players perform closer to how they stack up against kids their own age than kids in their own grade. Owen Duffy is a full year younger than McCabe Millon, and surprise surprise he's starting to create distance at the college level. There's a reason Chaminade and St. Anthony's kids have such a high hit rate compared to MIAA/NEW-1 top recruits: the LI catholic kids rarely indulge in the holdback game.

From the class of 2025, a few that I've got circled to watch in regards to this phenomenon are Michael Ortlieb and Teddy Lally -- both players are older than Kyle Colsey, who already finished his freshman year of college. Lally is more than six months older than Colsey!

In the case of Peck, he's a great player (one of my favorite to watch) but I think he's more of a high four star than a five star. Going back to his own class has caused the recruiters to reappraise him accurately.

Certainly agree with you on reclassifying overall. It is insane how common it has become. I associate it more with the prep school thing than with MIAA but I guess it is more common there than I thought.

We will see how it goes with Peck. He has the shot for sure, but maybe the rest of his game is a little more up in the air at the next level. In the end either he has the magic sauce or he doesn’t. I don’t think reclassifying necessarily hurts people’s future prospects in any way, but it certainly does not help either. It is encouraging that Posner has trusted him with the lefty attack spot for two years. He beat out a lot of talent at Lawrenceville for that spot. I think he will still have a big impact at the next level.

 

[relaxer]

The top MIAA kids don't seem to have been held back that much according to IL
#1 Brendan Millon 2/2007
#3 Robbie Hopper 2/2007
#5 Matt Higgins 8/2006
#8 Luke Bair not listed
#9 Aidan Seibel 7/2006
#22 Bogue Hahn 9/2006

Definitely more rampant in NEW-1 than in the MIAA, but I'd say this year's crop is more of an exception than the norm for the MIAA. Typically there are a number of guys with March/April birthdays from the year before leading their teams (whereas in NEW-1 you get players who would straight up be on the older side of the class above). This is the highest I've been on an MIAA class of players in a while, and it's precisely because they are really talented players who didn't need to re-class.

 

[relaxer]

Certainly agree with you on reclassifying overall. It is insane how common it has become. I associate it more with the prep school thing than with MIAA but I guess it is more common there than I thought.

We will see how it goes with Peck. He has the shot for sure, but maybe the rest of his game is a little more up in the air at the next level. In the end either he has the magic sauce or he doesn’t. I don’t think reclassifying necessarily hurts people’s future prospects in any way, but it certainly does not help either. It is encouraging that Posner has trusted him with the lefty attack spot for two years. He beat out a lot of talent at Lawrenceville for that spot. I think he will still have a big impact at the next level.

I agree, I think he's a great player and will fill a role in the Syracuse offense. Just don't think he had that top 10 player in his class ceiling that the recruiters were giving him based on his reclassification to the class of 2026. Very skilled and a great passer to boot, but i think he's merely a good dodger, not a great one. Slightly different player, but I think the profile he fits is more akin to Hiltz -- and at his best Hiltz was a great player (possibly elite in the PLL, which suits his game), but not a first team AA caliber guy who could take over games.

I've had this discussion at length in the past on here, but for me to be that level of attack recruit you need certain traits that I don't think apply to Peck. Namely, you need to be an elite dodger. There is the rare exception for a generationally talented finisher here or there, but for the most part if you can't consistently draw slides against great high school poles (either by pure quickness like Sowers, brute force like O'Neill, or some combination of skill and innate game sense like Teat) you're not going to be a game-changing player.

This was my comment a few years ago about Deere -- good player but not the 5 star recruit some were asking IL to anoint him as. Spallina was that rare player who deserved 5 stars even with questions about his athleticism (although at the high school level even he still beat poles regularly), and that deficiency is what is standing between him and being a Tewaarton level player.

Spencer Ford is another guy who I felt might have some trouble imposing himself as a dodger at the next level, and had extensive back and forth with Zack80 about a couple of years ago. I'm interested to see in this upcoming season how he's developed physically after his redshirt season, and if he can be enough of a dodger to live up to his ranking. I don't know if Higgins will ultimately end up being a better player, but I think he's more likely to live up to the top 10 ranking because he is an elite dodger from X.

 

[Zack80]

It seems to me that the jury is still out on Deere. He should move into more playing time this Spring.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

I agree, I think he's a great player and will fill a role in the Syracuse offense. Just don't think he had that top 10 player in his class ceiling that the recruiters were giving him based on his reclassification to the class of 2026. Very skilled and a great passer to boot, but i think he's merely a good dodger, not a great one. Slightly different player, but I think the profile he fits is more akin to Hiltz -- and at his best Hiltz was a great player (possibly elite in the PLL, which suits his game), but not a first team AA caliber guy who could take over games.

I've had this discussion at length in the past on here, but for me to be that level of attack recruit you need certain traits that I don't think apply to Peck. Namely, you need to be an elite dodger. There is the rare exception for a generationally talented finisher here or there, but for the most part if you can't consistently draw slides against great high school poles (either by pure quickness like Sowers, brute force like O'Neill, or some combination of skill and innate game sense like Teat) you're not going to be a game-changing player.

This was my comment a few years ago about Deere -- good player but not the 5 star recruit some were asking IL to anoint him as. Spallina was that rare player who deserved 5 stars even with questions about his athleticism (although at the high school level even he still beat poles regularly), and that deficiency is what is standing between him and being a Tewaarton level player.

Spencer Ford is another guy who I felt might have some trouble imposing himself as a dodger at the next level, and had extensive back and forth with Zack80 about a couple of years ago. I'm interested to see in this upcoming season how he's developed physically after his redshirt season, and if he can be enough of a dodger to live up to his ranking. I don't know if Higgins will ultimately end up being a better player, but I think he's more likely to live up to the top 10 ranking because he is an elite dodger from X.

I'm not sure playing attack is all about blowing past poles any more. Defenders are just too big and athletic. It's more about getting to spots and getting you hands free. It would be nice to have a Sowers (Mikey Powell), but even looking at all that attack talent in the '27s and I dont see any really burners. They tend to be really shifty and slick with elite hands.

I don't think Peck is a speed dodger. He's slippery though, like a Garnsey or Fields.

 

[relaxer]

I'm not sure playing attack is all about blowing past poles any more. Defenders are just too big and athletic. It's more about getting to spots and getting you hands free. It would be nice to have a Sowers (Mikey Powell), but even looking at all that attack talent in the '27s and I dont see any really burners. They tend to be really shifty and slick with elite hands.

I don't think Peck is a speed dodger. He's slippery though, like a Garnsey or Fields.

Don't entirely disagree, but I also don't think Peck will be able to get to his spots the way Garnsey or Fields could.