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Message: [QUOTE="OrangeDW, post: 2197872, member: 2458"] I never felt that way about them. Triche was a guy offensively who was average to good at basically everything, but great at nothing. He could handle, pass, shoot the 3, penetrate, finish at the rim...he could do all those things fairly well, but he wasn't great at any of those things. So you got a solid all around player, but not a star. Lydon lacked the ability to do anything off the dribble or create for himself. I don't think it was assertiveness, it was him lacking those skills and our team lacking a guard that was good at getting him the ball in the right spots st the right times. I think a Z Sims would've added 3-4 ppg to Tyler's scoring average. [/QUOTE]