new roach interview

[goodroc]

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/11/accusers_biggest_fan_helped_pr.html

 

[orangenauburn]

Bobby is watching cartoons ... no job?

She is hanging out in bathrobe mid afternoon ... did she quit hers?

Lang is in la la land

The more the talk the more confused I get

 

[elimunelson]

At a minimum i know this:

1. the accusers are losers in the present day.
2. bernie fine is guilty of being a nice guy and hanging around with neighborhood kids
3. the police and DA are amateur hour all the way
4. Jim Boeheim has softened his stance and was obviously muzzled by the BOT/Chancellor/Gross. Smartly too
5. No one else has come forward

 

[Noexcuse]

At a minimum i know this:

1. the accusers are losers in the present day.
2. bernie fine is guilty of being a nice guy and hanging around with neighborhood kids
3. the police and DA are amateur hour all the way
4. Jim Boeheim has softened his stance and was obviously muzzled by the BOT/Chancellor/Gross. Smartly too
5. No one else has come forward

I like # 5. I hope #3 is not true and they resolve this once and for all in a manner that limits any doubt on the part of the public.

 

[netman99]

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/11/accusers_biggest_fan_helped_pr.html

This interview seems to contradict ESPN story a bit. Here Roach says Lang coincidently and independantly contacted ESPN after the PSU case.
The ESPN video says Davis texted Lang and asked him to contact ESPN. Not a big deal. I Guess.

 

[AZOrange]

I feel like I am going insane.

 

[shandeezy7]

This interview seems to contradict ESPN story a bit. Here Roach says Lang coincidently and independantly contacted ESPN after the PSU case.
The ESPN video says Davis texted Lang and asked him to contact ESPN. Not a big deal. I Guess.

That's a huge deal I think. And maybe not that incident alone, but a pattern is developing here of inconsitencies in stories. And It's not just about what happened 20 years ago. There's inconsistencies in what happened last week. Something is not right.

 

[AZOrange]

That's a huge deal I think. And maybe not that incident alone, but a pattern is developing here of inconsitencies in stories. And It's not just about what happened 20 years ago. There's inconsistencies in what happened last week. Something is not right.

Is it me or does each story here make it seem like Roach is driving this bus? Lang has virtually disappeared. And Davis has basically shuttered himself. The only actor here that is still active is Roach, and she is neither a victim or an eyewitness to a crime that happened 20+ years ago...

 

[syr14]

That's a huge deal I think. And maybe not that incident alone, but a pattern is developing here of inconsitencies in stories. And It's not just about what happened 20 years ago. There's inconsistencies in what happened last week. Something is not right.

I agree, I caught that and thought that was a pretty big inconsistency

 

[pfister1]

Is it me or does each story here make it seem like Roach is driving this bus? Lang has virtually disappeared. And Davis has basically shuttered himself. The only actor here that is still active is Roach, and she is neither a victim or an eyewitness to a crime that happened 20+ years ago...

I had that same feeling. Almost as though she has made it her life's work to right the wrong she believes was done to her friend Davis. Makes you wonder if Davis made up the allegations and confessed to her when he did to get her attention, mission accomplished...but then she went nutso advocating for him and it quickly snowballed beyond what he had intended. Now she is driving the bus and he can't get her to pull over so he can get off. She gave up and things were quiet for quite a while then all of a sudden PSU happens and stirs her up??

 

[Orange Barrel]

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/11/accusers_biggest_fan_helped_pr.html

Unbeknownst to them, Roach said, so was Davis’ stepbrother, Michael Lang.

The more these people talk the less I believe them. Unbeknownst my arse.

 

[AZOrange]

I had that same feeling. Almost as though she has made it her life's work to right the wrong done to her friend Davis. Makes you wonder if Davis made up the allegations and confessed to her when he did to get her attention, mission accomplished...but then she went nutso advocating for him and it quickly snowballed beyond what he had intended. Now she is driving the bus and he can't get her to pull over so he can get off. She gave up and things were quiet for quite a while then all of a sudden PSU happens and stirs her up??

I am wondering what her relevancy is at this point. They have Davis' and Lang's story now. What does she add?

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Bobby is watching cartoons ... no job?

She is hanging out in bathrobe mid afternoon ... did she quit hers?

Lang is in la la land

The more the talk the more confused I get

She works in a 24-hour business. You don't know what her shifts are, do you?
The Ricky Gervais Show is a cartoon. South Park. The Incredibles. All animated/cartoons. And all 'smarter' than American Idol or Two and a Half Men. Are you really getting judgmental about his television programs? Besides that, it seems she meant it as a joke.

The one compelling bit in this new participant's story is that SHE is the one who instigated/initiated this 'second round' of inquiries. And, that she so believed Davis' story that she dedicated herself to the issue. Neither are "evidence" of anything. But, both are damning. It's easy to sit back and ridicule Davis based on short video clips and forum posts, but the three entities who have actually had real conversations with the accuser are all convinced something happened.

 

[orangenauburn]

I am wondering what her relevancy is at this point. They have Davis' and Lang's story now. What does she add?

Drama!!!

Didnt ya know, she is the straw that stirs the drink

Its her world, we just live in it

 

[AZOrange]

It's easy to sit back and ridicule Davis based on short video clips and forum posts, but the three entities who have actually had real conversations with the accuser are all convinced something happened.

I dont think it is right to ridicule them. We have no idea if it is true or not, but I have not heard anyone say (from the 3 entities) that they are convinced something happened. Do you have a source on that?

 

[goodroc]

but the three entities who have actually had real conversations with the accuser are all convinced something happened.[/quote]

please add to this - which 3 entities?? Espn? SU? and Post Standard??

 

[orangenauburn]

She works in a 24-hour business. You don't know what her shifts are, do you?
The Ricky Gervais Show is a cartoon. South Park. The Incredibles. All animated/cartoons. And all 'smarter' than American Idol or Two and a Half Men. Are you really getting judgmental about his television programs? Besides that, it seems she meant it as a joke.

The one compelling bit in this new participant's story is that SHE is the one who instigated/initiated this 'second round' of inquiries. And, that she so believed Davis' story that she dedicated herself to the issue. Neither are "evidence" of anything. But, both are damning. It's easy to sit back and ridicule Davis based on short video clips and forum posts, but the three entities who have actually had real conversations with the accuser are all convinced something happened.

My point is, she knows the reporter is coming over, she can not get dressed for the interview? And why tell the reporter, 'oh bobby - he is probably watching cartoons'

All unnecesary

 

[GoCuse14]

Unbeknownst to them, Roach said, so was Davis’ stepbrother, Michael Lang.

The more these people talk the less I believe them. Unbeknownst my arse.

I agree with you totally...and why did Lang, out of no where contact ESPN of all people? Why not police? He was questioned before, I am sure that the investigators left contact information if he "rememebered" anything else. Why not contact the Investigators. Calling ESPN screams for attention if you ask me.

 

[rottweiler44]

Has Davis at any point spoken to anybody except ESPN? Seems that Roach is their vehicle to speak to the Post Standard...this would of course suggest that Davis is on ESPN payroll for his exclusivity...

 

[AccuRater]

Michael Lang came forward independently? No contact with Davis or Roach before he came forward? Hard to believe. But if so, where are the others? Not even referring necessarily to others that may have been abused. I realize it may be hard for a victim to go public. But how about witnesses? Or someone who heard about the activities? People talk. Over a 30+ year period there would have to be rumors, suspicions. Now that allegations are out in the open, if they are true, somebody, more likely several people would have come forward.

Several years ago I was involved in a situation that has some similarities. I was teaching at a private college in the Midwest. I had a dispute with my department head (Psychology) over an academic matter. The dispute got heated and I was fired, effective at the end of the semester. I publicly challenged his decision. Then things got personal. I gave an interview to a reporter at the school paper and it was the lead story in the next issue. At this point a number of female students independently appeared at my office all with versions of the same story. The department head had invited them into counseling sessions and allegedly attempted to seduce them. When they resisted, he allegedly threatened them with expulsion, etc. It was only when they realized that someone on the faculty wouldn't necessarily side with the department head that they came forward. It was near the end of the semester but over a two week period there were at least a dozen women with essentially the same story. I alerted the president of the college and the most outspoken feminist on the faculty before I left.

My point is, now that an accusation has been made, I would expect anybody with corroboration to come forward. Where are they?

 

[mscanlo]

i don't like how the article says "two voices telling a horrific story". it is one voice telling a horrific story, and another voice backing the story. it's like danielle is trying to make it sound like she is a victim as well. bobby, (and bernie if the allegations are true) is the only one with the story. nothing danielle adds seems to be substantial, because it is only what bobby tells her. if she did have something substantial from that long ago, she should have went to the police when it happened

 

[orangenauburn]

Davis said he told Lang to contact ESPN, Roach says Lang did so independently. Hmmmm?

 

[AZOrange]

i don't like how the article says "two voices telling a horrific story". it is one voice telling a horrific story, and another voice backing the story. it makes it sound like danielle is a victim as well. bobby is the only one with the story. nothing danielle adds seems to be substantial, because it is only what bobby tells her. if she did have something substantial from that long ago, she should have went to the police when it happened

I agree. I dispute her relevance at this point.

 

[mountaincuse]

She say's she is angry in this article, but in the one yesterday afternoon she said she didn't have any hard feelings about the way the cops handled it in 2002?

So he is hiding out watching cartoons now and she is running to whoever will listen with the story? She isn't even a story in all this, why is the PS wasting articles on her instead of investigating the real issues here?

 

[netman99]

Davis said he told Lang to contact ESPN, Roach says Lang did so independently. Hmmmm?

Big hmmmmm.
Seems to be a different version of how and when Lang contacted ESPN. Did he do it independantly or was he prompted by a text from davis? Probably not a critical factor in all this, but this story is getting more and more difficult to follow.

In an ESPN interview, Syracuse Support, (at about the 8 minute mark) Schwartz states Davis told him Davis texted his brother Lang and said the Sandusky acts were similar to Bernie. That prompted Lang to go to ESPN.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/ (Syracuse Support)

In the article today on syracuse.com (accusers biggest fan helped) , Roach states it was coincidence that Lang contacted ESPN.About the same time Roach reached out to Syracuse police again, Lang independently called ESPN to say that he too had been molested by Fine as a child and the news made national headlines. http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/11/accusers_biggest_fan_helped_pr.html