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Message: [QUOTE="OrangeDW, post: 2394431, member: 2458"] In 2015, the Giants had maybe the worst defense they’ve ever had and it blew about 5-6 leads at the end of games. We’re not pinning W/L records on the QB like a pitcher in baseball now are we? We certainly can’t give the Giants defense the credit for 2016’s record and then blame Eli for 2015’s record. Gotta be consistent. Eli was even better in 2015. They didn’t win because the D was horrid. I never said “elite” and I really don’t care about that for this discussion...point is he’s been one of the few guys consistently doing his job on the team. He can do his job even better when others do there’s. [/QUOTE]