Next Year's worst case scenereo

[KaiserUEO]

the worst case scenario for me is to start the season not as the Defending National Champ.

it would be horrible to not start that way.

i could only imagine the nightmares i would be having.

Oh Lord

 

[rrlbees]

Dion if he comes back will definitely be a team leader

How do you define team leader? I think Dion would be way down my list.

 

[rrlbees]

Maybe only a handful of folks will agree with me, and this is NO knock on this years back court which has been great, but I think if next years is Triche/MCW/Cooney it could be even better or at least more effective. It just "feels" like everything fits better. Sometimes the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. I think their skill sets all mesh together better and I think in JB's style, trying to get PT for 4 guys or even equal PT for 3 guys is tough. I can see Triche and MCW at 30-33 and Cooney at 15-20.

 

[pfister1]

Maybe only a handful of folks will agree with me, and this is NO knock on this years back court which has been great, but I think if next years is Triche/MCW/Cooney it could be even better or at least more effective. It just "feels" like everything fits better. Sometimes the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. I think their skill sets all mesh together better and I think in JB's style, trying to get PT for 4 guys or even equal PT for 3 guys is tough. I can see Triche and MCW at 30-33 and Cooney at 15-20.

But how many minutes will there be for that 4th JUCO guard that we need?

 

[Madbiker]

Wouldn't a worst case scenario be that Rak doesn't make a lot of progress and plays kind of like what he is this year and that DC2 is closer to Fab from year 1 than an immediate impact player? Not sayin that happens but that is the worst case.

 

[orangefan13]

As for team leadership, this will no question be Triche's team. .

Agree Triche will be the senior leader over Southerland and JR Fair unless Dion comes back.
But we will have a alot of go to leaders to put a team on their back or get the ball to.

Fair is scrappy on both ends and is very efficient this year. He rebounds and when he moves to SF will do that even more.
Triche plays into his own has a bright iq and as a senior his experience will be great to have. He plays well with and off the ball. Jacked.
MCW is a PG with superior dribbling skill, tall like a forward, and I have him as one of our top 3 passers ever when he leaves. Hes going to be a absolute stud. Maybe higher upside then Melo after his sophmore year.

I think DC will have his lapsing moments but his build leaves me to believe he won't be getting pushed around early. The guy is built, heck like a stronger version of Freshmen Derrick Coleman. His body and build with his skills will make him the real deal by midseason. Unlike Rak he operates off his strength and has superior dribbling skills that Rak and Freshmen Melo didn't.
I think he will be our best Freshmen Big of the last decade unless we get Noels two He just needs to show he can compete with the speed of the college game.

Dion if he comes back will be a team leader. Hes to vocal and to much fire to not be.
I give Rak a small inside chance to be a leader due to his athleticism. Hes got to work hard in the offseason though.
I give Southerland a small outside chance to be a leader even maybe.

I see us having atleast 3 solid confident leaders out there on offense. Thats what good teams have.
MCW and Triche are going to learn how to play unselfish out there and trust in guys like Fair, Southerland, and Cooney shooting the ball.
I have never been totally sold on Triches passing skills outside the lob. It will be a long tough working offseason for him deciding if he wants to be more of a SG or a PG for the NBA scouts next year.

And Grant could be a freshmen CJ in the making. Maybe even a inch taller. Cooney has a shot to be like a sophmore Rautins or freshmen Gmac. Then theres that Senior experienced Southerland guy If he works his tail off in the offseason he might surprise himself in realizing he can be better then he thinks. If he wants it!

 

[jekelish]

Well, I don't think MCW and Triche have to "learn" how to play unselfishly. It seems to come pretty natural to both of them. Same thing with Fair. One thing that we'll see a lot of next year, I think, is great ball movement because we'll have a lot of smart, capable passers on the floor virtually the entire game.

 

[arrow2arinzesknee]

Maybe only a handful of folks will agree with me, and this is NO knock on this years back court which has been great, but I think if next years is Triche/MCW/Cooney it could be even better or at least more effective. It just "feels" like everything fits better. Sometimes the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. I think their skill sets all mesh together better and I think in JB's style, trying to get PT for 4 guys or even equal PT for 3 guys is tough. I can see Triche and MCW at 30-33 and Cooney at 15-20.

I actually tend to agree, Cooney just has that feel about him to me, a Mcnamara-esque player who will just be a winner and a shooter at the NCAA level.

Anyone who doesn't see the potential in MCW is just nuts, this kid when the minutes open up is going to be one of the best guards to ever play here, he has size length, athleticism and I think he is a better shooter than most think as well.

and Triche is one of the most underrated guards we have ever had, some because he seems to lack that takeover gene, some because we are just so deep he can be benched during a less than great game, but I never feel uncomfrotable when he drives or shoots or passes because lets face it he is rock solid and a good defender to boot.

And Bees, I agree they just seem to fit together better, Dion and Scoop both demand the ball where as MCW and Triche work well off the ball and if Cooney is a dead nuts shooter then he doesn't have to create his own shot either.

 

[normaliswear]

Wouldn't a worst case scenario be that Rak doesn't make a lot of progress and plays kind of like what he is this year and that DC2 is closer to Fab from year 1 than an immediate impact player? Not sayin that happens but that is the worst case.

I just meant out of current roster likelyhoods. IE Noel, Dion, and Fab. Like someone said, the WORSE case would be the Mayan's were right and we all die in December. But worst case for who's on our roster meaning none of Fab, Dion, or Noel.

 

[MyMeloMyMan]

How do you define team leader? I think Dion would be way down my list.

Yeah, the guy trying to leak out for fast break dunks when we have yet to secure a rebound...and a guy who doesnt always pass the ball to teammates furhter down the court on a 2 on 1 break... probably not going to be the team leader.

 

[normaliswear]

Yeah, the guy trying to leak out for fast break dunks when we have yet to secure a rebound...and a guy who doesnt always pass the ball to teammates furhter down the court on a 2 on 1 break... probably not going to be the team leader.

The hope would be Dion comes back and grows into that role. He took a big step maturity-wise this year, it's possible he could take another step with another season. No lock though of course.

 

[orangefan13]

yeah I think I came off with the wrong thought. Learn how to distrube the ball more is what I meant by unselfishness. As expected team leaders they might find themselfs doing more passing then scoring.

MCW hasn't played alot this year.
Triche hes not a drive and dish type. Hes more of a shot fake pass, lob pass kind of player. when he gets into the lane hes getting a easy shot or getting bodied and making his free throws.

Then again with Bigs and SF's like Rak, DC, Grant, CJ not sure we need a drive and dish pg out of triche for 20 mpg either.

Team leader is built on confidence. Guys who know they can score and want to use their skills to get 12+ ppg or distribute and move the offense.
DC, Dion, Triche, MCW as a passer all will have that next year.

AO, Rautins, and Wes were all leaders for us in 010.
Go to guys are leaders they swing momentum and frustrate opponents. They bring toughness.
Thabeet for instance was a leader for Uconns D a few years back. He was that intimidating. Yet only a soph and not the vocal point of their offense.

Anyone that is intimidating is a leader.

 

[arrow2arinzesknee]

Isn't it nice that we are talking about this and not about Shumpert banging Deshuan Williams gf or anything else

we are literally saying worst case scenario we have three mcd's All Americans, two other top 100 recruits in their classes, and a senior who has started most of his career on the hill

the program is really turning into one that just has the feel of being final four contenders for the nest 3-5 years, there was a thread about JB maybe retiring soon, and to be honest I find it hard to see the competitor in JB leaving when he has this much incoming talent in the next few years, he could be in the running for anywhere from 1 -3 or more titles in the next decade, leave with 1100-1300 wins and I wouldn't be surprised

 

[310Pigpen]

Isn't it nice that we are talking about this and not about Shumpert banging Deshuan Williams gf or anything else

we are literally saying worst case scenario we have three mcd's All Americans, two other top 100 recruits in their classes, and a senior who has started most of his career on the hill

the program is really turning into one that just has the feel of being final four contenders for the nest 3-5 years, there was a thread about JB maybe retiring soon, and to be honest I find it hard to see the competitor in JB leaving when he has this much incoming talent in the next few years, he could be in the running for anywhere from 1 -3 or more titles in the next decade, leave with 1100-1300 wins and I wouldn't be surprised

Wasn't it Deshaun Williams banging Shumperts gf?

 

[Garbs]

My GF's name is Trish... so the hands tend to autotype it lol

is your brother's name Scenereo?

 

[arrow2arinzesknee]

Wasn't it Deshaun Williams banging Shumperts gf?

Probably, I tried to block that season from my memory as much as possible

 

[Sgt Cuse]

Maybe only a handful of folks will agree with me, and this is NO knock on this years back court which has been great, but I think if next years is Triche/MCW/Cooney it could be even better or at least more effective. It just "feels" like everything fits better. Sometimes the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. I think their skill sets all mesh together better and I think in JB's style, trying to get PT for 4 guys or even equal PT for 3 guys is tough. I can see Triche and MCW at 30-33 and Cooney at 15-20.

I'm in that handful of folks excited about next years back court. I have more confidence in their BBall IQ, their decision making, their free throws. They are an easy group to root for: a 4 year local kid, a McD who gave up PT in his first year, and a top 100 who redshirted. And if Mookie comes back you've got a top 100 that put in all kinds of time.

That said, Scoop and Dion have been instrumental in a 26-1 overacheivement. And close games have been in there. I think they've Forrest Gumped their way through it though. Bad free throws, boneheaded end of clock plays involving jacked ugly 3s. The fear is there every close game. And yet the victories keep piling up. The story isn't over, but you can't have a much better first few chapters.

 

[rrlbees]

yeah I think I came off with the wrong thought. Learn how to distrube the ball more is what I meant by unselfishness. As expected team leaders they might find themselfs doing more passing then scoring.

MCW hasn't played alot this year.
Triche hes not a drive and dish type. Hes more of a shot fake pass, lob pass kind of player. when he gets into the lane hes getting a easy shot or getting bodied and making his free throws.

Then again with Bigs and SF's like Rak, DC, Grant, CJ not sure we need a drive and dish pg out of triche for 20 mpg either.

Team leader is built on confidence. Guys who know they can score and want to use their skills to get 12+ ppg or distribute and move the offense.
DC, Dion, Triche, MCW as a passer all will have that next year.

AO, Rautins, and Wes were all leaders for us in 010.
Go to guys are leaders they swing momentum and frustrate opponents. They bring toughness.
Thabeet for instance was a leader for Uconns D a few years back. He was that intimidating. Yet only a soph and not the vocal point of their offense.

Anyone that is intimidating is a leader.

A true leader is not necessarily the best player or leading scorer. It can be but doesn't have to be. The leader is the one that the team trusts, is usually vocal, is a team player and a guy others look to for encouragement. Some may be the "silent leader" type as AO was in 2010 where Rautins was the vocal heart and soul. Wes was the best player and was too a leader. I don't see Dion being a leader in any sense of the word. Triche is too quiet to be the leader unless he is the AO type that leads by example and carries cache as a senior. Not sure who would be the leader next year regardless of who is there. Who is going to huddle the team up and say lets get off our asses and get going? Who is going to be the locker room guy that inspires the troops pre-game?

 

[normaliswear]

is your brother's name Scenereo?

lol... nope, that one is good old fashioned spelling. You're welcome

 

[normaliswear]

A true leader is not necessarily the best player or leading scorer. It can be but doesn't have to be. The leader is the one that the team trusts, is usually vocal, is a team player and a guy others look to for encouragement. Some may be the "silent leader" type as AO was in 2010 where Rautins was the vocal heart and soul. Wes was the best player and was too a leader. I don't see Dion being a leader in any sense of the word. Triche is too quiet to be the leader unless he is the AO type that leads by example and carries cache as a senior. Not sure who would be the leader next year regardless of who is there. Who is going to huddle the team up and say lets get off our asses and get going? Who is going to be the locker room guy that inspires the troops pre-game?

I see Fair growing into a great leader in that "leader by example" sense. He'll be a Jr, he's respected, works hard, and does the little things to win.

 

[dollarbill44]

Everything written here, with the exception being the Mayan doomsday scenario, are FAR from the worst case. I am not going to even go into a worst case scenario, but we've had some situations ruin very promising teams in the past.

 

[realorange]

Those people defecated in holes in the ground. Do you think they could accurately predict when the world would end.

Not saying they will be right about the end of the world, but they were great astronomers with ability that cannot be explained today.

 

[billsin01]

Maybe only a handful of folks will agree with me, and this is NO knock on this years back court which has been great, but I think if next years is Triche/MCW/Cooney it could be even better or at least more effective. It just "feels" like everything fits better. Sometimes the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. I think their skill sets all mesh together better and I think in JB's style, trying to get PT for 4 guys or even equal PT for 3 guys is tough. I can see Triche and MCW at 30-33 and Cooney at 15-20.

I think how things fit together is a huge key for JB and his system. It's the one reason I'm still not entirely sold on this group as a title team (contender, obviously, but I could see sweet 16 or something). I just don't know how well it fits together. Next year I like this setup:

Guards
Triche at the two, primarily, with minutes at the one to give MCW a breather
MCW at the one (and I think he's an absolute natural)
Cooney -- shooter off the bench with solid athleticism

Forwards
Fair -- in a much more comfortable spot as a full-time 3; probably a bit more range
Rak -- makes a leap to give at least what Melo has in terms of ppg and rpg, but probably even more rpg
Southerland -- first off the bench, hopefully more consistent shooting, continued development as rebounder/defender.
BK -- redshirt if things work out with Melo/Noel, but if not, solid hustle guy with good size and athleticism

Center
Coleman with Keita as the backup. Probably splitting minutes about 20/20
Unless Noel comes aboard.

 

[orangefan13]

If Rak averages 8 ppg next year I will defenetly be happy.
Melo might even be up to almost 9 by the sweet 16.

I can see us as a title contender next year as well. Maybe not a one seed but a roaring 2-4 seed that will be even more dangerous by march.