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NIL and Reality

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The back and forth on the other thread regarding players and NIL and players making money makes me want to post this…

NIL. Name. Image. Likeness.

I’ve followed SU sports (and college sports) a long time. Some might say since Moses was a linebacker.

A player’s Name is certainly his own. If Garrett Shrader wanted to get paid to show up at some charity event to sign autographs, I have no problem with it. What’s an autograph session worth? I have no idea? I know I’m not paying for a college kid’s autograph because it means nothing to me. He’s a kid. I have been asked for my autograph twice in my life. I gave it for free. If a video game wants to use Garrett Shrader’s name on the latest college football game, for a QB from Syracuse, I’m all for it. By all means, EA sports wants it to represent Shrader, so he should be compensated. So should SU, if they want to use SU’s name, uniform and players.

Image. If a college jock is used as a spokesperson for some company or other, I’m almost never impressed. Nearly all of these players make very poor spokespersons. I’ve hired actors, models, spokespersons before. And some of them were worth a lot of money. I once talked with Ron Jaworski who was trying to get me to hire him. I declined. 19 year old jocks with no acting or even public speaking training make poor representatives. But some people love seeing it. I guess I’m not one of those people.

If a kid appears on a billboard for Joe’s Used Cars, I think the kid should get paid. Personally, I would never buy a used car from a particular dealership just because they have some 19 year old jock on their billboard. But I know enough about advertising and marketing to know that’s not the question. The question is, does using the player’s image help cut through the clutter and get the ad noticed. Maybe it does.

The reality of NIL is that these kids are not, in fact, being paid for NIL. They’re being paid to play football or to play basketball. The NIL (wink, wink) system is just a way of putting money in their hands. It’s deceitful at best, and dishonest at worst.

If you want to make college athletes professionals, fine. Pay them to play football or basketball. But don’t pretend that they’re students. If you want students, start a college and don’t have an athletic program. If you want professional athletes, there are places you can go.

Someone said mine was a “Boomer View.” And it is. I’m old enough to remember when the educational opportunity was the goal. That is no longer the case. And we’re lying to them if you want to tell kids to “go out and get your $$$” oh, and you’re a student athlete.

I love seeing kids enroll at SU, get a degree, and move on to fulfilling lives. I only know the athletes. A kid who uses his athletic talents to get a big time education, knowing he will never earn a living playing the sport he loves, is the real success in my mind. I’ll take that kid’s autograph.
 
The reality in any of this. How much does the brand of the person sell most anything?

Once you go beyond Jordan and Tiger if falls off a cliff.

the NIL money is not moving any needles 99% of the time.

Much like JB doing a promo isnt selling a car or anything else in syracuse.
 
If you want to make college athletes professionals, fine. Pay them to play football or basketball. But don’t pretend that they’re students. If you want students, start a college and don’t have an athletic program. If you want professional athletes, there are places you can go.

Agreed. I think we can all get to this middle ground (or should be able to). Now how do we get there with the current court rulings, the buffoonery of the NCAA, the TV contracts, the upcoming streaming contracts, the agents, the greed, etc etc.

The old days aren’t coming back.
 
Agree or disagree this is exactly why the NCAA never allowed NIL. Because they knew it would be used inappropriately and there would be no way to police it or enforce it properly.

Should kids get a cut of the money that the big time colleges collect from these athletic events. Sure, I don’t totally disagree with that.

With that said, the opportunities these players are given are more than any regular student. They get free tuition, academic help, and preferential treatment. But this leaves it up to the players to take advantage of these perks and not waste their opportunity. I paid 120,000 dollars in student loans. These kids have the opportunity to set themselves up for future success without any loans to pay back and start collecting almost immediately upon graduating.

As I have said before I’m not sure how this will ever end. Even if the schools start collective bargaining, and giving the players a cut of the money. If all schools pay the players the same amount of money, you’re always going to have boosters that could offer additional NIL to entice a player to their school. Where does it really stop? Is it possible to enact a law that only schools are allowed to issue NIL and players can’t sign with any non registered entities. Maybe it would help clean up the industry a little bit.

At some point, the kids need to be protected from the money hungry people around them that are steering them in the wrong direction for a quick buck.
 
I love seeing kids enroll at SU, get a degree, and move on to fulfilling lives.

Really? Sounds like you hate them.
How so?
 
How so?
Because you don’t want them to make money off of their current labor for no other reason than because it doesn’t conform with your view of the world.
 
Hmmm… well I can’t say it any more clearly.
Oh, you made it pretty clear.

I’m old enough to remember when the educational opportunity was the goal.

I know I’m not paying for a college kid’s autograph because it means nothing to me.

19 year old jocks with no acting or even public speaking training make poor representatives.

A kid who uses his athletic talents to get a big time education, knowing he will never earn a living playing the sport he loves, is the real success in my mind.
 
It's the collectives. The collectives are what tipped the scales.

Actual NIL requires an ROI on the player as a business decision.

The collectives don't. They're essentially infinite to whatever anyone is willing to throw in.

And yes, because there's no need for ROI, it's basically pay for play.

While this is all immensely stupid, I maintain this is better for the people it matters most to, the student-athletes.
 
It's the collectives. The collectives are what tipped the scales.

Actual NIL requires an ROI on the player as a business decision.

The collectives don't. They're essentially infinite to whatever anyone is willing to throw in.

And yes, because there's no need for ROI, it's basically pay for play.

While this is all immensely stupid, I maintain this is better for the people it matters most to, the student-athletes.
It's just the bagman stuff with a new spin.
 
It's just the bagman stuff with a new spin.
I mean you're not wrong but I feel it's not the worst thing for people to know if we contribute to the collectives, we're complicit (and bag men/ladies/thems).

So we can gripe about this, but the fund raising behavior suggests as dumb as this all is, this is what we the fans want.
 
I mean you're not wrong but I feel it's not the worst thing for people to know if we contribute to the collectives, we're complicit (and bag men/ladies/thems).

So we can gripe about this, but the fund raising behavior suggests as dumb as this all is, this is what we the fans want.
I have come around to SU2NASA's long standing pitch that we should have cheated our brains out. Now we don't have to. NIL baby!
 
Oh, you made it pretty clear.

I’m old enough to remember when the educational opportunity was the goal.

I know I’m not paying for a college kid’s autograph because it means nothing to me.

19 year old jocks with no acting or even public speaking training make poor representatives.

A kid who uses his athletic talents to get a big time education, knowing he will never earn a living playing the sport he loves, is the real success in my mind.
Nothing in there even suggests I “hate them.”
 
My issue is the university should be footing the bill not the fans. Schools are making millions and have the audacity to bang the drum on how the collectives need your help. There needs to be contracts for these players. The portal and nil is ruining college sports.
 
Look at the posts in that other thread. Some people simply refuse to accept it despite COURT RULINGS that won’t allow the old system back into existence.
I don't think any one thinks we're going back, just needs to either be a true NIL or college paying directly. What's happening now is a true Cluster**** that is not sustainable.
 
I don't think any one thinks we're going back, just needs to either be a true NIL or college paying directly. What's happening now is a true Cluster**** that is not sustainable.

There absolutely are posters that think we can go back, but regardless…

To your post, There’s no way to legislate “true NIL”. States have basically rules against this. So you want colleges to pay the players. I can understand that and agree it might be the way to go.
 

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