No second round guarantee for Tyus

[AZOrange]

He isn't my child. I'll applaud his time here and supported him while he played here. But why should I applaud a poor decision? Should we applaud Bazley too?

Poor decision? By whose standards? Yours?

 

[two3zone]

Poor decision? By whose standards? Yours?

The consensus of the scouts at the NBA combine?

 

[AZOrange]

The consensus of the scouts at the NBA combine?

That has no bearing on the quality of decision making.

 

[chugg21]

The consensus of the scouts at the NBA combine?

0.0 shot that any of us know the consensus of scouts at the combine not to mention scouts have no control over anything. It takes a single GM to see something they want and I'm certain they aren't going to tell Givony, Zagoria or anyone else about it.

 

[20Plus]

If he can expand his game he can easily be a first rounder next year. People act like he’s peaked and next year he can’t improve his draft stock especially because he might be a junior at that point.

I mean who cares many players played 10+ years in the NBA and went to college for four years.

All this is a mute point because he’s all but gone.

 

[two3zone]

0.0 shot that any of us know the consensus of scouts at the combine not to mention scouts have no control over anything. It takes a single GM to see something they want and I'm certain they aren't going to tell Givony, Zagoria or anyone else about it.

It looks like he’s on the wrong side of things. I think that’s fair to say.

 

[20Plus]

New York Knicks Worked Out Syracuse University Star (Report)

 

[20Plus]

Don’t know if we’ve ever seen this explosion since stepping foot on the hill in any one given play

 

[cuseincincy]

And when does that occur? Team workouts are just starting. We were like 2 days before the draft last year and half the people were still saying Lydon made a mistake.

Who?

 

[DaCuse]

If he leavs Syracuse now, he was probably going to leave no matter what...

 

[All4SU]

He could have had a ton of assists this year if players were able to (a) hit an outside shot, and/or (b) get in position for, and catch an entry pass to the post and convert it into points.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[cusefan88]

He isn't my child. I'll applaud his time here and supported him while he played here. But why should I applaud a poor decision? Should we applaud Bazley too?

That's where we disagree. Fans assume (insert player) ALWAYS improves stock by coming back. The volume of data from the last 5-10 years suggests that assumption is wrong.

 

[OrangeDW]

That's where we disagree. Fans assume (insert player) ALWAYS improves stock by coming back. The volume of data from the last 5-10 years suggests that assumption is wrong.

Yeah, that’s probably a tough call for Tyus. In the one hand, he got all the minutes and shots one could ever possibly need to show what they can do this year.

On the other hand, with a more “normal” team next year he might have the chance to answer some of the questions about him in terms of how well rounded of a player he is...would likely get more assists, and probably more opportunities to spot up and catch and shoot which is something any non primary ball handler at the NBA level needs to be good at now, can show a better left hand going to the hole, etc.

Tough call.

I forget...is he potential graduate in 3 years guy?

 

[NineOneSeven]

Based on what I read on here, Donte and Spellman will both return to school because Villanova

 

[UnknownOrange]

Yeah, that’s probably a tough call for Tyus. In the one hand, he got all the minutes and shots one could ever possibly need to show what they can do this year.

On the other hand, with a more “normal” team next year he might have the chance to answer some of the questions about him in terms of how well rounded of a player he is...would likely get more assists, and probably more opportunities to spot up and catch and shoot which is something any non primary ball handler at the NBA level needs to be good at now, can show a better left hand going to the hole, etc.

Tough call.

I forget...is he potential graduate in 3 years guy?

Mark Larsen was told he was almost failing this semester because ... he knows someone.


....All ACC-Academic team for 2 years but Hawaiian Punch Larsen thinks he was failing

 

[RF2044]

That's where we disagree. Fans assume (insert player) ALWAYS improves stock by coming back. The volume of data from the last 5-10 years suggests that assumption is wrong.

I don't think it is "assuming" anything -- if he didn't receive a second round guarantee based upon his week at the combine, then he isn't viewed as a draftable commodity. He has the potential to change that, if he returns.
That doesn't mean that he WILL change his stock, but at least he'd have that possibility.

Tyus might not be the best example to reference in support of your point.

 

[reedny]

Seems like the writing's on the wall - that Tyus will stay in. It'd be great to have him back, but we have to respect his decision. Personally, unless he gets a guarantee I would give a mid-second round selection (and the inevitable G-L bus tour) a failing grade. But I'm not the one doing the grades. He is. The Knicks are certainly an interesting scenario, as they have the 37th pick. Tyus would be competing against Baker and Dotson to back up Courtney Lee, neither of whom has lit it up from outside (32-33% range). Baker's a very good defender. But Tyus is bigger than both and might have a chance to crack the rotation. Seems like he's been competing well at the combine so it'll be interesting to see what happens tomorrow. BOL to him whichever course he decides to take.

 

[two3zone]

That's where we disagree. Fans assume (insert player) ALWAYS improves stock by coming back. The volume of data from the last 5-10 years suggests that assumption is wrong.

For the record, I've thought every guy who's left should have left. I just think Tyus has the capabilities to improve where he is lacking which should boost him up, especially in a weaker draft.

 

[doc05]

I'll be honest -- I'm not sure his stock really rises all that much staying another year. I think scouts already have a good idea of what type of player he would be at the next level, and no matter what happens next year he may still be a 2nd rounder. May not be much incentive to come back.

 

[RF2044]

I'll be honest -- I'm not sure his stock really rises all that much staying another year. I think scouts already have a good idea of what type of player he would be at the next level, and no matter what happens next year he may still be a 2nd rounder. May not be much incentive to come back.

Fair point. But then again, there are numerous ways that he could enhance his profile, none of which are far fetched.

• With better offensive players around him, he might not have to do so much -- so his efficiency rating overall might improve
• With other shooters spacing the floor [and Tyus not having to crank up so many shots at the end of the shot clock], his three point shooting % might improve due to him having more open looks
• With better scorers on the floor, his assist totals might rise, and he could show more capabilities as a play maker
• He'd have another year to improve his ball handling and expand his offensive diversification as a dribble-drive threat
• He could garner publicity being the main cog of a highly rated team poised to make a deep tournament run

Even if his usage / scoring / minutes go down, he could enhance his stock by fine tuning some of the rawer elements of his game [i.e., ball handling, passing, etc.] and improving his overall efficiency.

Frankly, it is criminal that he's rated below some of the other wings in this class [I'll own that opinion], but at least part of that is due to the perception that his offensive production was inflated by him having an unabashed green light. He could change that perception by coming back, not being forced to play 40+ minutes every game, by showing improved shot selection as a function of not being forced to do too much, and by showing that he's a better shooter overall than he's shown.

 

[Melancer46]

Seems like the writing's on the wall - that Tyus will stay in. It'd be great to have him back, but we have to respect his decision. Personally, unless he gets a guarantee I would give a mid-second round selection (and the inevitable G-L bus tour) a failing grade. But I'm not the one doing the grades. He is. The Knicks are certainly an interesting scenario, as they have the 37th pick. Tyus would be competing against Baker and Dotson to back up Courtney Lee, neither of whom has lit it up from outside (32-33% range). Baker's a very good defender. But Tyus is bigger than both and might have a chance to crack the rotation. Seems like he's been competing well at the combine so it'll be interesting to see what happens tomorrow. BOL to him whichever course he decides to take.

For what it's worth, Battle shot under 31% from NBA range this season.

Anyways, I don't blame him for chasing the money, and I'm not sure he raises his draft stock with another season in orange. I think he's always going to be a guy that scouts are skeptical of. He simply doesn't do much in terms of creating for others. He doesn't rebound. He's an okay shooter, but the hitch he has in his jumpshot doesn't seem to be going away anytime soon and it will always rub scouts the wrong way. His reliance on mid-range jumpshots will never really appeal to scouts either. He's just not that attractive of a prospect. He can potentially be a productive player in the NBA, but his skillset isn't really one that is viewed as attractive to NBA scouts right now. His best chance is probably to become a good man-to-man defender, which has a better chance of happening in the pros than it does here.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Fair point. But then again, there are numerous ways that he could enhance his profile, none of which are far fetched.

• With better offensive players around him, he might not have to do so much -- so his efficiency rating overall might improve
• With other shooters spacing the floor [and Tyus not having to crank up so many shots at the end of the shot clock], his three point shooting % might improve due to him having more open looks
• With better scorers on the floor, his assist totals might rise, and he could show more capabilities as a play maker
• He'd have another year to improve his ball handling and expand his offensive diversification as a dribble-drive threat
• He could garner publicity being the main cog of a highly rated team poised to make a deep tournament run

Even if his usage / scoring / minutes go down, he could enhance his stock by fine tuning some of the rawer elements of his game [i.e., ball handling, passing, etc.] and improving his overall efficiency.

Frankly, it is criminal that he's rated below some of the other wings in this class [I'll own that opinion], but at least part of that is due to the perception that his offensive production was inflated by him having an unabashed green light. He could change that perception by coming back, not being forced to play 40+ minutes every game, by showing improved shot selection as a function of not being forced to do too much, and by showing that he's a better shooter overall than he's shown.

Just out of curiosity who is ranked ahead of him that you don't believe should be?

 

[cliftonparksufan]

I think Huerter might be going back to Maryland but I do see some reports showing him moving up the charts due to his three point shooting and versatility. Rockets showed last night how a guy like Huerter could be so valuable.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I think Huerter might be going back to Maryland but I do see some reports showing him moving up the charts due to his three point shooting and versatility. Rockets showed last night how a guy like Huerter could be so valuable.

He also has shown the ability to run the point which is one of the reasons he's higher than Tyus.