non factories with good non-spread offenses with defensive head coaches

[Millhouse]

I'm sure these teams exist. Who can help me come up with that list?

Stanford for once and...

 

[Chip]

I'm sure these teams exist. Who can help me come up with that list?

Stanford for once and...

Take Stanford off the list. Shaw is an offensive guy.

 

[Millhouse]

Take Stanford off the list. Shaw is an offensive guy.

that's right, i was trying too hard to be gracious

most schools aren't factories. half of the head coaches should be defensive if they're equally likely to be good as head coaches. sure seems odd that there aren't obvious answers.

 

[K Otto XLIV]

Strategically the only really way to have stability is to have an O HC. A D HC will never have a system on O. It will change with the OC. If Lester is the next Chip Kelly he won't be here long. Then what? If you have an O HC the system will stay only the guy calling plays will change.

 

[Millhouse]

Strategically the only really way to have stability is to have an O HC. A D HC will never have a system on O. It will change with the OC. If Lester is the next Chip Kelly he won't be here long. Then what? If you have an O HC the system will stay only the guy calling plays will change.

all the more reason to pick a scheme where there are million different interchangeable OCs in that tree ala bob stoops

 

[TheCusian]

Pitt this year?

 

[Millhouse]

Pitt this year?

Nope
78th in yards per play

 

[CIL]

I'm sure these teams exist. Who can help me come up with that list?

Stanford for once and...

Define "spread"...I don't consider a team running out of the shotgun a spread team. Do you mean teams that consistently operate out of 4 wide sets?

 

[SUskibum]

I think lester will have us there by next year.

there I said it

 

[JrodCuse]

Harbaugh is a defense first coach.

 

[SUskibum]

here is the top 40 is yards/play

 

[OttoinGrotto]

The Utah Utes. Whittingham is defense first HC. They run a lot of prostyle. They do mix in spread but I'm not really sure they identify that way.

Caveat - they chew through OCs like nobody's business, and the thinking this season is that even though they have new co-OCs they didn't change the system again and that's really helped them.

 

[Millhouse]

Define "spread"...I don't consider a team running out of the shotgun a spread team. Do you mean teams that consistently operate out of 4 wide sets?

sorry I missed this. i left it open ended so people wouldn't think I was being too strict in my interpretation. i would say predominantly operate out of 4 wide, not just consistently

 

[Ozcuse]

I don't know what offense he runs but Willie Fritz at GA Southern has the highest rated offense (#15) from a non-powerhouse/non-offense minded HC. EDIT: Triple Option/Zone Read Option

Cincinnati at #21 is pretty good as a non-factory and their coach is a defense guy. They run a spread pass offense though.

NC State at #39. HC is Dave Doeren, a Defensive guy. Their numbers may fall out of top 50 as season goes on though.

Central Michigan at #47. Their head coach is a former ST Coach but he was a QB and WR in college.

There really isn't another team in the top 50 offenses in college football that are led by a defensive HC. That's pretty crazy.

I bet if you were to look up all the 128 FBS college teams, 60+% have a HC with an offense background vs. defensive background.

 

[TheCusian]

Utah (S&P+ O ranking: 42 / S&P+ D ranking: 22)
"We played a lot of conservative football last season," he says. "Our goal was to reduce the turnovers. We didn't want to give games away. It was, 'Let's get into the fourth quarter and give ourselves a chance.' This year, we want to continue to protect the ball, but have more of an ability to attack. We're never going to be a team that is just chucking and ducking, that's just not Coach Whittingham's personality. But we can definitely be more aggressive."

Boise State (S&P+ O ranking: 65 / S&P+ D ranking: 15)
They are starting a freshman QB who is not ED. They are typically better on O than 65. Last year they were 13 on O, and 38 on D.

Duke (S&P+ O ranking: 84 / S&P+ D ranking: 3)
I realize Cutcliffe is an O coach. And that this is the first year his D has carried them. But interesting none the less. Not running the spread. Defense being that good is impressive.

Iowa (S&P+ O ranking: 39 / S&P+ D ranking: 9)
Frenetic played as a LB and coached the OL in the NFL. They don't run the spread. Good defense.

With all of these teams - I get that the offense is worse than the defense. But they are really good teams this season. Utah is an interesting comp for us.

 

[Millhouse]

Utah (S&P+ O ranking: 42 / S&P+ D ranking: 22)
"We played a lot of conservative football last season," he says. "Our goal was to reduce the turnovers. We didn't want to give games away. It was, 'Let's get into the fourth quarter and give ourselves a chance.' This year, we want to continue to protect the ball, but have more of an ability to attack. We're never going to be a team that is just chucking and ducking, that's just not Coach Whittingham's personality. But we can definitely be more aggressive."

Boise State (S&P+ O ranking: 65 / S&P+ D ranking: 15)
They are starting a freshman QB who is not ED. They are typically better on O than 65. Last year they were 13 on O, and 38 on D.

Duke (S&P+ O ranking: 84 / S&P+ D ranking: 3)
I realize Cutcliffe is an O coach. And that this is the first year his D has carried them. But interesting none the less. Not running the spread. Defense being that good is impressive.

Iowa (S&P+ O ranking: 39 / S&P+ D ranking: 9)
Frenetic played as a LB and coached the OL in the NFL. They don't run the spread. Good defense.

With all of these teams - I get that the offense is worse than the defense. But they are really good teams this season. Utah is an interesting comp for us.

yards per play

duke 80th
iowa 45th
utah 73rd
boise 50th

 

[TheCusian]

yards per play

duke 80th
iowa 45th
utah 73rd
boise 50th

Total losses: 4

 

[Millhouse]

Total losses: 4

why are you posting in this thread. i ask for good non-spread offenses from non-factories with defensive head coaches and you give me cutcliffe's w/l. thanks

 

[TheCusian]

why are you posting in this thread. i ask for good non-spread offenses from non-factories with defensive head coaches and you give me cutcliffe's w/l. thanks

What's this threads point?

 

[Ozcuse]

This article was from preseason this year but should give Millhouse a football boner. He is also the anti-Leach from an offense perspective.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...outhern-football-2015-preview-schedule-roster

 

[Millhouse]

What's this threads point?

we have a defensive head coach who threw out the spread. you think it's pointless to see how other schools fare in that situation on offense. go ahead and sit this thread out then

 

[TheCusian]

we have a defensive head coach who threw out the spread. you think it's pointless to see how other schools fare in that situation on offense. go ahead and sit this thread out then

I wasn't saying it was pointless, I was wondering what you were trying to say. What your thesis was.

 

[HeaterCuse22]

we have a defensive head coach who threw out the spread. you think it's pointless to see how other schools fare in that situation on offense. go ahead and sit this thread out then

Threw out the spread? Explain

3 wideouts with a HB (ExpressBack) primarily receiving isn't a "spread" type offense?

 

[TheCusian]

If the point was you can't win without the spread with a defensive minded HC then the examples I provided are proof that you can.

Cutcliffe is normally not an example of this - but this year they are very good on defense and okay on offense and have one loss.

Is it easier to build your offense on the spread and try to be good on defense? Yeah, we've agreed on that for a long time. Is it more exciting? Yes. Is it more conducive to a Dome? Sure. These are all points you've made before.

No one is fighting you on that. Your like a guy holed up in his bunker with a calculator. Wars over dude, cmon out. You won.

If the question is can we win with a very good defense and an offense in the 30-50 range, the answer is yes. I think with Dungey and our D coaches we get there next season.

 

[Ozcuse]

Your like a guy holed up in his bunker with a calculator. Wars over dude, cmon out. You won.

:rolling:

Don't tell him he won! You just set the OT forum back about 5 years!